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Post by wheelguns on Jan 12, 2020 17:04:21 GMT -5
I think I will develop a load for the 180 xtp. Whether I actually use it or not is another thing. The more I think about it, I just can’t see walking out the door to go deer hunting without my 41mag or my 45 colt. The load development is the fun part, to me anyway, and if something happens, I will be prepared. I really appreciate and value everyones opinions and experience. Thank you all!!!
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Post by magman on Jan 12, 2020 17:29:16 GMT -5
This spring, I'll start working on a load for my 357 mag. Probably use 296 and 180 xtps.
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Post by wheelguns on Jan 12, 2020 18:36:26 GMT -5
This spring, I'll start working on a load for my 357 mag. Probably use 296 and 180 xtps. My thoughts exactly!
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lobo
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Location: SE Mississippi
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Post by lobo on Jan 14, 2020 2:04:56 GMT -5
I've used the 240 gr XTP in .44 magnum with great success on whitetail (<170 pds.).
Regarding the .357 mag. & hunting deer, how would the 158 gr. Gold Dot compare to the XTP?
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wgg
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Post by wgg on Jan 14, 2020 7:40:03 GMT -5
Wheelguns you could try plain base gas checks with your mold, if you are interested let me know I have a few I could send you.
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Post by mobjack on Jan 14, 2020 10:54:05 GMT -5
This why I like this forum, I learn something all the time. I had never heard of a plain base gas check before. With the help of Bing, I learned something new. In my defense, I don't cast my own bullets, so I don't follow the bullet casting much.
Mobjsck Now even smarter than I was before.
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Post by wheelguns on Jan 14, 2020 12:16:49 GMT -5
Wheelguns you could try plain base gas checks with your mold, if you are interested let me know I have a few I could send you. Thank you, I really appreciate the offer. However, this project is still in the “thinking about it” stage, and having you go through the trouble for something I may not use just isn’t right. I still have to empty some brass for it, if you know what I mean. I will keep you in mind if I decide to go that way.
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wgg
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Post by wgg on Jan 14, 2020 19:26:05 GMT -5
Just wanted to offer. I used a Ruger Bisley 7 1/2" in 357 this year on a doe. I used a powder coated NOE 180 gr with a cup style hp, busted both shoulders. The shot was 25 yards. I have the plain base checks in case they were needed with this mold, they are not in my revolvers. I have not tried the Marlin and Rossi yet. Glen
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Post by wheelguns on Jan 14, 2020 19:41:50 GMT -5
I cast a noe wfn that weighs 173gns, but it is not a hp. It would probably work, but would prefer heavy and hollow point.
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dhd
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Post by dhd on Jan 14, 2020 21:00:16 GMT -5
If you stay with a PB mold and want the possible advantage of a GC too, take him up on the offer of the free PBGC. I've used them and the target says they never hurt groups and often slightly improve groups.
There is a learning curve installing them, but you can skip that by using a lubesizer and the Lyman Gas Check Seater. Base first sizing them in a Lee Sizing Die typically tears the thin aluminum. I modified one Lyman GCS plug by filing some off of the top so the bullets would go in the lubesizer die enough to get the PBGC completely in the die. Once you have your rhythm down, it's easy. It's a way to use a PB mold that performs well (accuracy) and add a GC.
Do that or just order a MP Hammer GCHP Mold. Once a MP brass mold gets broken in, you can make a pile of bullets quick. They are awesome and make a fine bullet. Probably less aggravation than the PBGC and for me they are as accurate as the Hornady 180 XTP (and the XTP is one accurate bullet).
My $.02 and all that.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 15, 2020 14:07:16 GMT -5
"I have a 6” GP-100.... velocity with a 180 gn should be about 1350-1400fps out of the revolver and maybe 1550-1600fps from my 20” lever gun. What bullet would you guys use?” ----wheelguns
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wheelguns.... 1,350-1,400 fps sounds mighty stiff for 180 grain bullet from a 6” .357 Mag revolver.
For a 180 grain JHP shot from 6-inch revolver, 1,050-1,100 fps is more like it. Same load from a .357 Mag carbine boosts Velocity about 350 fps, for the 1,400 fps. Velocity is may vary widely from gun to gun. A carbine or rifle may boost revolver velocity 400 or 500 fps. A 100 pound whitetail, centered immediately behind the front leg through both lungs, may bolt, or barely react. Blood pumped by the heart rides one-way ticket to the lungs. The deer passes out from oxygen debt to the brain. Hardly a Hollywood Dead Right Now ending. If the bulket strikes a bit low----through the heart----the deer may mule kick or jump, and make a run for it. Some animals with their heart shot out make a valiant run for it.
The same bullet shot into a shoulder may stop, and not necessarily drop the deer. Although a much more painful arrangement, a deer with bullet wedged in shoulder joint may run through a swamp or over hill & dale.
A hard cast bullet which makes a pencil hole through the lungs may shortly die, or run... walk... run... a very long way. Limited to a hard bullet my preference calls for Wide Flat Nose Gas Check, 180 to 200 grains.
A POWDER COAT 180 or 200 SWC or WFN, perhaps with hollow point, should have more FORGIVENESS. David Bradshaw
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Post by wheelguns on Jan 15, 2020 21:02:21 GMT -5
Mr. Bradshaw, I got those velocity numbers from hogdon’s website. I have not loaded anything yet, and am sure those numbers are optimmistic. Their max load of h110 with a 180gn bullet was 13.5 and they claimed 1396fps, their testing was with am10” barrel. Which is longer than mine. Thank you for weighing in with your thoughts. I read about everything that you post here.
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erich
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Post by erich on Jan 15, 2020 21:32:32 GMT -5
I'm at altitude, but I get 1230 fps with single-digit deviations with a 180-gr hardcast from a 3" tube. Max load of Blue Dot, standard primer, .357 brass.
Lil' Gun works better for me than BD from my short rifle: easy to get 1750 fps with a 180 from the 20" gun.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 16, 2020 7:22:48 GMT -5
Mr. Bradshaw, I got those velocity numbers from hogdon’s website. I have not loaded anything yet, and am sure those numbers are optimmistic. Their max load of h110 with a 180gn bullet was 13.5 and they claimed 1396fps, their testing was with am10” barrel. Which is longer than mine. Thank you for weighing in with your thoughts. I read about everything that you post here. ***** wheelguns..... velocity of a load may greatly from gun to gun. To add to the confusion, powder, bullet, and ammo companies each uses a different revolver for data. Some don’t even use a revolver; a closed breech test fixture, even one with “vented" barrel to mimic barrel/cylinder gap, may record velocities 150 fps faster than a similar length sixgun. Specs other than barrel length factor big time. A cylinder with loose chamber exits and a tight bore bleed pressure at the cylinder gap, robbing velocity. Likewise, an oversize forcing cone. A slightly loose groove diameter may shoot faster than a firm groove diameter. Rifling type and displacement plays a part. Another phenomenon critical to velocity----the profile & moment of peak pressure. If pressure peaks in chamber there will be less SIDEBLAST at cylinder gap, and velocity benefits. Some cartridge cases tend to peak sooner than others. If the cartridge, or dots powder, peaks in the barrel, velocity from a short barrel suffers. However dimensions and dimensional relationships shape burn, none of this mumbo jumbo should take precedent over the TARGET. Yet, a Dick Thompson instructs, velocity in general compliments the FORGIVENESS FACTOR a bullet provides in the clean taking of game. The hunter must appreciate the limitations of his or her load to hunt with a clear head. DEAD RIGHT THERE is a bad cliche to adopt as measure of bullet performance. In terms of its reaction to a bullet, paper stands like a needle at the top of the list, a steel silhouette much farther down, and a live animal below the bottom. David Bradshaw
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 16, 2020 7:27:19 GMT -5
I'm at altitude, but I get 1230 fps with single-digit deviations with a 180-gr hardcast from a 3" tube. Max load of Blue Dot, standard primer, .357 brass. Lil' Gun works better for me than BD from my short rifle: easy to get 1750 fps with a 180 from the 20" gun. ***** erich.... good info, to be looked at closely; shows you’re intent to load for the gun. David Bradshaw
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