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Post by whitworth on Jan 15, 2020 10:12:06 GMT -5
Back when I still dabbled in rifles, I used a .416 Remington and a .458 Lott on hogs -- open sighted express rifles. It was a fun way to hunt hogs.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 15, 2020 10:30:16 GMT -5
416 remmy was a much used caliber, no Lott’s but standard 458’s got used.
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Post by Ramar on Jan 16, 2020 8:17:10 GMT -5
airborne, Trapr, I appreciate your back-and-forth on ethics of taking this hog, and hogs in general. Both your opinions are valuable and well-stated. Thanks for taking time to post.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 23:29:52 GMT -5
I know of lots of folks that have no problem with shooting pigs and don’t care where they hit them. Me personally, every animal deserves as swift and humane a death as we can provide... I disagree with your statement that hogs do not pose a significant value to you, it’s a living animal and it deserves to be killed humanely, regardless of what value it has to you personally. It’s value is considerable if you would care to look into donating the carcass to needy sources, at least 95% of all the pigs we take are donated to people that want and can use the meat. Trapr Thanks for stating this. I'm personally saddened by how far ethical hunting has slipped in recent years. We now have YouTube commandos "hunting" from helicopters and blowing up hogs with tannerite. Every animal deserves humane treatment in the hunting field. This is not a commentary on the post you were quoting.
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Post by Markbo on Jan 18, 2020 19:48:30 GMT -5
Hogs have made me a fan of the .458 SOCOM but would I try one with a .50? You bet!
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Post by x101airborne on Jan 18, 2020 20:21:16 GMT -5
Something to consider.... We don't call it hog "hunting". It is a predator / pest here and it is depredating the land and animals in it. I have three messed up disks in my back from going over the torn up land. We lose thousands of dollars a year due to their damage and the food they eat. We no longer have much of a ground nesting bird population though when I was a kid there were literally hundreds of quail on our place. Rabbits as well have gone near the endangered level locally. Even rattle snakes down here don't rattle any more because the hogs will hear them and kill them for food. That makes them more dangerous to me and my family. All because of the stinking hogs. I wont even "boar" (bore) you with the damage to riparian zones, how they propagate brush species, kill calves in hard summers, wreck fences, etc. If someone wants to call it hunting, fine. I DONT.
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Post by Shakey on Jan 18, 2020 21:13:24 GMT -5
If it's OK to kill Boll Wevils from the air, why not hogs? Fair does not enter into pest eradication.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 18, 2020 22:07:37 GMT -5
Airborne, I agree. It is pest control. But, blowing a leg off, using tannerite and allowing the pig to get away is not humane. That is my point. God put all these critters on here for us.
They are not doing anything malicious, or vindictive, they are just doing what they do, being pigs. I agree that in Texas “we” are fighting a battle with a foe that is extremely adapted to surviving. I think our biggest problem is landowners that do not realize the damage that is done by pigs, or recognize that they have a problem. Far too many landowners see their pig problem as a cash opportunity instead of the actual problem that it is. I have to actually convince landowners that allowing me access to their property free of charge is a benefit to them, they don’t realize how much money they lose in feed, property damage, and disease control. Sadly, many landowners do not recognize hog sign, and refuse to believe they actually have hogs on their property, until I provide photos of herds of pigs on their property.
I have been “working” on this issue since the 80’s with landowners in South Texas and now Central Texas. Far too many landowners see this whole issue as sport instead of pest control or as I call it, business.
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Post by x101airborne on Jan 18, 2020 22:33:39 GMT -5
Airborne, I agree. It is pest control. But, blowing a leg off, using tannerite and allowing the pig to get away is not humane. That is my point. God put all these critters on here for us. They are not doing anything malicious, or vindictive, they are just doing what they do, being pigs. I agree that in Texas “we” are fighting a battle with a foe that is extremely adapted to surviving. I think our biggest problem is landowners that do not realize the damage that is done by pigs, or recognize that they have a problem. Far too many landowners see their pig problem as a cash opportunity instead of the actual problem that it is. I have to actually convince landowners that allowing me access to their property free of charge is a benefit to them, they don’t realize how much money they lose in feed, property damage, and disease control. Sadly, many landowners do not recognize hog sign, and refuse to believe they actually have hogs on their property, until I provide photos of herds of pigs on their property. I have been “working” on this issue since the 80’s with landowners in South Texas and now Central Texas. Far too many landowners see this whole issue as sport instead of pest control or as I call it, business. Trapr That is actually one of the best written responses I have read in a long time. I did not know you were in Texas. That is also why I don't mind extremely large calibers on hogs. The trauma from a 375 H&H for example, or at least the extreme penetration from one gives me good vibes about reaching the vitals on any shot; or at least being able to cause enough blood loss to cause a quick death. That is why a 22 Hornet at long range would seem like more of a "stunt" than a 50 BMG at short range for caliber as you well laid out in your other post. Problem with allowing people off the street access to private ranches is they get bored and want to shoot every thing that walks in front of them, then fuss they didn't see a hog. I have guided for MANY out of state "hunters" free of charge on my ranch. After hearing 3 or 4 gunshots, I would check in with them (fixed blind shooting positions) "What did you kill?" Oh, I shot at a raccoon 5 times and never got him. Blah Blah Blah… Well if you cant hit a racoon in 5 shots you can just exit stage left. I even had a guy from Washington State want to use a flintlock muzzleloader and although I put him on hogs 5 times and every time the weapon went "click", he wanted to whip my tail on my own ranch because I didn't produce. I was carrying a 1911 10mm on my hip and explained to him why that wasn't going to work. Or you get the "hunters" on more of a booze cruise and they down an 18 pack of beer before heading off to hunt. God only knows where those bullets are going... Maybe to the neighbors house? Maybe across the highway? Maybe shooting Farmer John's cow 900 yards off? I am not losing my land because of someone invited's stupidity.
Now that I have gotten to know you a little and see what your are about, if we can meet up sometime, it would be a pleasure to host you for free. Or at least have a good cup of coffee and a great conversation. And if we get time, I would love some help with my hog problem.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 18, 2020 23:18:56 GMT -5
Airborne, I would have no issue with meeting with you, when my schedule permits. I would also have no issues helping you out with anything I could do. Feel free to message me privately, and we can exchange emails and phone numbers. I’m always willing to help anyone willing to listen and help themselves.
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