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Post by magnumwheelman on Dec 9, 2019 16:06:02 GMT -5
So can someone answer a few questions about the various shapes & the triggers & hammers required???
so if I have a New Model Blackhawk, & I want to switch it over to a Bisley, a bisley hammer & trigger are required??? can you use the standard Blackhawk hammer & trigger or are there clearance or fitment issues... how about for putting one on a Super Blackhawk???
how about a Kieth #5... standard Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk hammers & triggers work
how about switching just the Bisley hammer & trigger & keeping the factory grip frame...
just curious what is needed, & what fits...
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Post by potatojudge on Dec 9, 2019 16:30:04 GMT -5
I believe you specify the hammer and trigger you want and Ronnie cuts it for those, but I don't know what limitations he'll have. Bisley grip frame cut for SBH hammer without the large gap I believe is an option, for example. OM with wide or narrow trigger, NM I think are all wide triggers but Bisley and standard have different curves. He's got all the spring geometry worked out for us.
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Post by RDW on Dec 12, 2019 14:49:49 GMT -5
Ok Guys! Great Chance to explain the differences and the options and opportunitys that are opened up or available, by rethinking out side of the box, when it comes to the one piece of the revolver that the human hand hangs on to these rascals with. For one, style. ITS GOT TO LOOK COOL! Two, fit and comfort. So many things have been pointed out to me over the course of the past six months. I live in an area of the country that sees many a winter in the 70s and very rarely into freezing temps. I Have lived in this area since 1969 and i can count on one hand how many times it has snowed, and i loosely refer to it as snow because a lot of our northern brethren would laugh and say, ( that is snow cone ice man! Come to my house and i will show you SNOW.) Haha! I never thought about shooting gloves but have realized that a feature of some of my grip frames is a shoe in! The Bisley Trigger guard. It allows a much larger finger and because of the geometry difference between it and the standard Black Hawk trigger guard, it allows a greater amount of room between the Knuckle and the trigger guard. That feature was my sole reason for adapting the feature to non bisley style grip frames! However the bisley trigger guard is much larger and sits forward much further than the standard Black Hawk trigger guard. Very important when using a glove, to have enough room for it and not worry about setting the trigger off till your ready! I must point out a lot of my designs were built to achieve a certain look first. Then make it fit right second. The look was always my driving force. But along the way i had to make it practical. And manufacturable.( Not sure that is a real word or not but for the sake of my sanity, lets go with it) Some of us like corvettes, some of us like mustangs, But a few of us LOVE Both! I am one of those people who love both! Changing triggers and hammers is a great way to completely transform The way a single action looks, works and functions. So with that being said, lets point out some subtle differences and explain the geometry difference!  Also Notice the size difference of the actual trigger Guard Hole! The next post will explain the triggers. |
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Post by RDW on Dec 12, 2019 15:08:19 GMT -5
So Lets talk About Triggers.  The Left is a Bisley Trigger. The right is a Black Hawk. Notice the difference in the Radius Behind the two triggers. The Bisley has a smaller Radius allowing for a little more rearward travel without contacting the rear bottom of the trigger guard hole. A standard Blackhawk trigger is pretty much a straight back type situation and sits back a little farther than the Bisley. But because of the position and travel geometry of the bisley, the window at the bottom of the frame has to be different. The window extension on the Bisley, closes up the gaping cutout that has to be there because of the way it travels rearward versus the standard black Hawk. However the main difference is the bisley trigger sits much further forward than the Bisley, Cocked and relaxed! The next post will demonstrate the machine work at the base of the frame! |
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Post by RDW on Dec 12, 2019 15:19:03 GMT -5
You will notice the black hawk on the left has a much shorter trigger cutout than the Bisley on the right! You will also notice that the cylinder latch spring plunger hole is in a little different location. The Bisley cylinder latch spring plunger hole is further forward because of the position of the front of the Trigger guard. The hole has to be in some material of course, and because of the further forward position, in order to push on the Cylinder latch properly it has to be tilting back 8 more degrees than the Black Hawk! So that way the plunger contacts the same spot on the bottom of the latch. If you look at the bottom of the holes you will see less of the Bisley because of the tilt!  |
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Post by squawberryman on Dec 12, 2019 15:25:14 GMT -5
I appreciate the fact that your brain can wrap around all of the variances to produce what the customer wants.
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Post by RDW on Dec 12, 2019 15:47:40 GMT -5
So to sum it all up.
I am offering the opportunity to blend various combinations together that in the past have not existed except from the hands of hardcore Gunsmiths or individuals altering the existing frames.
I have seen a few and they have all been highly skilled individuals. But very Few. And not available to all of us regular ole Joes at a moments notice! In other words an XR3-RED with a Bisley trigger guard looks great and fits and feels very nice!
It allows the larger trigger hole and a little extra knuckle Room. It doesnt matter what it is. XR3, XR3.5, XR3-RED, SBH, I have a bisley handle with a Blackhawk trigger Combo. The Ladies seem to like that one because it works well with shorter fingers and gives lots of grip to hang on to! My Birdsley with the Bisley trigger has been voted MOST SEXY by a lot of my old cowboy buddys. The KBird with BTG ( Bisley Trigger Guard) also looks great and feels even better on the
specials, 44, 38,45 ACP, ETC! I also offer a .300 longer option which absolutely transforms an XR conventional in to an entirely new kind of animal with a Bisley trigger guard!
However Bisley Triggers go with Bisley Trigger Guards and Black Hawk Triggers go with Black Hawk Trigger Guards because of the Geometry difference.
You can use a Black Hawk hammer with a Bisley back strap design with no problems, But you CANNOT use a Ruger Brand Bisley Hammer on conventional plow handle without cutting the rear of the hammer down.
Powers Custom makes of course a Beautiful Bisley hammer for use with a plow handle that was made that way from the get go, and I LOVE THEM! They are always a perfect fit and absolutely gorgeous!
Gentlemen i hope that explains the options and differences to a degree that is helpful.
As usual with all of you fine Gentlemen on this most Fantastic Forum it is a pleasure to answer any questions you might have.
Ronnie
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Post by RDW on Dec 12, 2019 15:51:38 GMT -5
I appreciate the fact that your brain can wrap around all of the variances to produce what the customer wants. Thank you for the Kind words Squawberryman. I have been beating it down to make something for all of you that you will enjoy! I am having so much fun! Thanks Man Really! Ronnie |
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Post by magnumwheelman on Dec 12, 2019 16:56:11 GMT -5
Thanks Ronnie
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Post by RDW on Dec 12, 2019 18:16:55 GMT -5
Something brought to my attention was, is there a difference with the Keith # 5.
Basically a Keith # 5 style Grip frame is a Bisley Backstrap Mated to a colt plow handle front strap and trigger guard!
The Keith # 5 and all variants fall into the same category as a Bisley Backstrap, so same rules apply on the Hammer.
It looks best with a bisley Hammer but will work with a standard Black Hawk.
The geometry for K# 5 hammers are the same as the Bisley. However the original Keith five used the same trigger as the peacemaker style.
So to look exactly like Harold Croft and Elmer Keiths Number 5, you would use a Black Hawk trigger. Mine would be K#5 STG
I offer it both ways, K#5 STG (Standard Trigger Guard) for use with a Black Hawk Trigger And the K#5 BTG (Bisley Trigger Guard) for use with the Bisley Trigger and of course it is a little further forward and gives you a little
more knuckle room. However with the Ruger Bisley trigger it looks and feels very nice!
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Post by jt on Dec 13, 2019 20:17:34 GMT -5
Is there a website or someplace to go to order these things, prices listed, or estimated time to production or anything like that? How does a person go about ordering?
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Post by RDW on Dec 13, 2019 20:58:02 GMT -5
Is there a website or someplace to go to order these things, prices listed, or estimated time to production or anything like that? How does a person go about ordering? We are almost ready bud! Just finished up the evenings work on the web sight. Almost there! Lot of work. lots of descriptions and pictures. Production is ready. Just trying to get the site done. And im seeing crosseyed right now. Haha Been pounding away on the keyboard all week. Hang in there guys. Its less than a week away. Ronnie |
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Post by magnumwheelman on Dec 13, 2019 21:02:39 GMT -5
Coming soon... they are adding data and debugging with some “testers” trying things and offering suggestions to make your shopping as easy as possible once the website goes live... not my gig, but do talk to Ronnie often... sounds like it’s getting very close
See they are on top of it... Ronnie beat me to the reply
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Post by rickiesrevenge on Dec 13, 2019 23:04:41 GMT -5
If you Google it the page is one of the first few that come up.
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Post by needsmostuff on Dec 13, 2019 23:05:19 GMT -5
So Ronnie , in the sprit of getting the parts ready and on tap how about some "splainin" on the Thunderer grip >
Will that be standard or Bisley trigger guard , hammer and trigger ?
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