tj3006
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Post by tj3006 on Nov 26, 2019 15:44:23 GMT -5
I like this round. I bought a real cool properly done old custom on a p-17 Enfield. They bolt is straitend and a nice old Fajen stock. 24 inch barrel and Dayton trister trigger. Cock on opening and I just like it I put 16 rounds through it on Sunday 180 grain Hornady flat base gave me 2980 and 3 shot groups well under an inch. I don't know why but it sure kicks less than a 300 win. And I never got much over 3000 with that round. I bought an old gloss 3x9 Leopold for it the other day. I sized and primed 30 cases yesterday and will load up some 180 grain partitions over RL 22. That's as much power as I will ever need in Oregon ...tj
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Post by thomasmblack on Nov 26, 2019 19:08:21 GMT -5
I too have fallen in love with this old cartridge. I bought this Model 70 Super Grade chambered in 300 H&H about a year ago from my older cousin who is down sizing his collection. It was made in 1951. It dearly loves Nosler's 180 grain Accubond bullets over a maximum charge of H-4831. I've killed 4 deer and this bear with it. All 5 animals dropped stone cold dead in their tracks. I don't think it kicks all that bad. Several years ago, brother in law had a synthetic stock Remington in 300 Winchester he wanted me to sight in for him. That thing just hurt. My cousin bought this SG in the mid 60's, he gave $225 for it. She's found a permanent home with me. Tom Black
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Post by bushog on Nov 26, 2019 19:54:13 GMT -5
That is a beautiful pre'64 rifle!
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 26, 2019 21:07:18 GMT -5
I too have fallen in love with this old cartridge. I bought this Model 70 Super Grade chambered in 300 H&H about a year ago from my older cousin who is down sizing his collection. It was made in 1951. It dearly loves Nosler's 180 grain Accubond bullets over a maximum charge of H-4831. I've killed 4 deer and this bear with it. All 5 animals dropped stone cold dead in their tracks. I don't think it kicks all that bad. Several years ago, brother in law had a synthetic stock Remington in 300 Winchester he wanted me to sight in for him. That thing just hurt. My cousin bought this SG in the mid 60's, he gave $225 for it. She's found a permanent home with me. Tom Black ***** Tom Black.... definition of a CLASSIC, pre-1964 Winchester Model 70, Super Grade no less, .300 Holland & Holland Magnum. The rifle, the cartridge, the propellant. A carousel of manufacturers has abused the English language to call a product a "classic.” The term cannot be bought it must be earned. A Steinway concert piano is a classic, as is another piano, the Thompson Submachine Gun, a.k.a. Chicago Piano. The Colt Peacemaker, a Model A and ’57 Chevy are classics. Classics are not born classic, they become classics through popular acceptance, recognition, performance. The pre-64 Model 70 is a classic, collection meat, trophies, Wimbledon Cups. The Model 70 took attributes of Peter Paul Mauser’s Model 1898 and made the cocking BOLT LIFT smooth as cream. This jumped the rifle’s rapid fire. Tom, that is a beauty, David Bradshaw
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Post by Rimfire69 on Nov 27, 2019 6:48:05 GMT -5
That is very very nice, a dream gun actually.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Nov 27, 2019 7:14:47 GMT -5
I am also a fan of the .300 H&H. I had a Mdl. 70 for more than a decade, and hunted with it in Australia, South Africa and Spain, taking game as large as 600 lbs. or so. It never failed me.
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Post by thomasmblack on Nov 27, 2019 8:52:24 GMT -5
First off, I apologize for stealing this thread. It was not my intention. Thank you fellows for the kind words, I appreciate them. David, you sir are a poet. Out of all my Model 70's, this SG is by far the slickest of the lot. For a rifle that's pushing 70 years old it's in very good shape. It shoots 165 grain bullets very well, shoots the old 180 grain Partition even better, but dearly loves the 180 grain Accubond. And they are excellent killers. Last May in the Clearwater National Forest in Idaho I killed this cinnamon phase bear after hunting for all of 90 minutes. From 120 yards he dropped in his tracks. My cousin that I bought it from has elk hunted in MT with it and killed his best ever whitetail buck with it, a dandy 14 pointer. Last November I killed my widest ever whitetail using it. He had a 22 " spread and dropped in his tracks from 287 steps. I'm working on an elk hunt. When I go I'll take this 300 with me. She has found a permanent home in my vault. Thanks again. Tom
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Post by bushog on Nov 27, 2019 10:24:55 GMT -5
Now I have to go look for Supergrades...
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Post by bradshaw on Nov 27, 2019 13:04:46 GMT -5
Tom.... thank you for your piece... and the kind words. And, yes, for a rifle that’s been hunted it sure looks cared for.
bushog.... difference between the standard M-70 and Super Grade indeed involves aesthetics. But it is more. Profiling of the Super Grade stock makes it more pleasurable between the hands and at the shoulder. It is an evolutionary step in modern, elegant stock making. I don’t know why writers fell over each other for so long, extolling the necessity of stock fit on a shotgun. Granted, a shotgun is not aimed, it must point. But so must a rifle point, leastwise for those who hunt on their hind legs.
And while a shotgunner may slap the trigger on a flying bird, the rifleman on a bounding deer must squeeze. Yet, near as I can reckon, follow through is the same. Which is to say, follow through is the second half of squeeze. The smooth squeeze continues; the rifle swing continues. Lest the lonely sixgun be left out, follow through with the revolver makes all the difference, be the target STATIC or MOVING. David Bradshaw
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tj3006
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 1, 2019 11:23:35 GMT -5
i plan to shoot my 300 H&H today, i put together 2 handloads with some 180 grain partitions over RL 22 I will not be chronying these loads today interested in accuracy and Recoil, I expect both to be good. I will be shooting deep in a gravel pit. You cant drive down there and what you take down you bring up. Today it will be my 300, and my SBH Bisley 44. The load i shot last week was very good same powder with a 180 Grain Hornady. I would be very happy with that load for elk, But i bought a bunch of partitions , and with nosler being an Oregon company, and the famous story of John Noslers 300 H&H moose hunt, well i like classics. (any body know what powder John Used ?) back then probably 4831 or 4350 ? ...tj
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Dec 1, 2019 14:30:22 GMT -5
Don't know what he used, but H4831 was my powder of choice.
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Post by mart on Dec 1, 2019 20:14:01 GMT -5
Congrats on a fine rifle and cartridge.
I've had a 300 H&H longer than any other rifle, save my 22 magnum. My first one was a Remington 721 and it shot amazingly well. Back in 1993 I was working a second job and saved up enough to order a left handed Remington 700 KS Mountain Rifle and had them chamber it in 300 H&H. To my knowledge it is the only left handed KS Mtn Rifle in existence, factory chambered in 300 H&H. It shoots every bit as well as the 721 did.
I wish it still was pristine but it wears a lot of marks from our adventures and misadventures. Along the way it has done in a pile of deer, many elk, a few antelope and one caribou. It's been sheep and goat camping with me a few times. The one caribou to it's credit was shot by a friend. The day before we were to go hunting he discovered someone had stolen his rifles from under the bed. They left the cases but took the guns out. It ended up being the kid he had mowing the lawn. He ended up with them back but not in time for the hunt. It was funny to watch a right handed shooter try to manipulate that left handed bolt. It didn't matter, his caribou dropped like rock to the 220 grain Partition.
I've loaded every bullet weight from 130 grain Speer hollow points for summer coyote and rockchuck fun to the 220 grain Nosler and Hornady bullets. I like a 200-220 grain bullet but were I back in the lower 48 would probably go with a 165 or 180 grain Partition for everything. Before moving to Alaska I had settled on the 165 grain Partition and shot a lot of game with it, up to and including elk. It never failed.
Can't go wrong with H4831 for powder but RL22 works well also.
The 300 H&H ranks right up there as one my all time favorite cartridges.
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 1, 2019 20:17:52 GMT -5
Not a good day at the range with my 300 H&H. But it could have been much worse. Plan was to shoot 5 rounds each with 180 grain partitions over 1st 69 then 70 grains of RL 22. Ist round was 2 inches left of the bull, pull the bolt back and no case ejects. Close the bolt, open again and the case head falls out on the bench ! Thank got the old 1917 action is so damn tuff ! I had no inkling of any problem till i popped the bolt. No heavy kick or anything. So i go home, And pull all the bullets from the 9 remaining rounds , bullet and powder charge is spot on accurate. I am sure i used RL22. But i tossed the powder anyway. So i start looking at the cases, and i found a slight ring near the head. so i put what remains of the blown case next to a complete case and sure enough thats where it gave. I pulled the Rifle apart , Found the name HE Wagner stamped on the Barrel, i assume that's who built it. I used Epoxy and got the case out easy. I think my next move will be to have the chamber inspected and see whats causing the ring. I could be where the die was set when i resized the cases. I think a neck sizer might be just the ticket ! I only have one rifle chambered for the super 30, so a neck sizer makes sense. So the Rifle is all back together and everything is working perfectly as far as i can tell. Think i will toss that brass and buy a bag of hornady. Its much cheaper than Nosler. Any input would be appreciated...tj
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Post by mart on Dec 1, 2019 20:26:39 GMT -5
Does the fired case still look like the 300H&H or does it look more like a 300 Winchester or Weatherby? If it still appears to be 300 H&H, was it previously fired brass and if so how many firings? And if it was fired in your chamber, how did you set your resizing die? I had some issues with case separation when I first had mine because I was setting the die to fully resize the case. I'd get two or three firings and would be seeing the separation ring start to show. Using a dental pick, I could feel the separation starting just above the belt. Setting my dies to where the neck was resized and the die just barely kissed the neck/shoulder juncture eliminated the separation issues and I get several more firings from my cases now.
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Post by tj3006 on Dec 1, 2019 21:18:23 GMT -5
Mart thank you ! I think you hit the nail on the head ! I need to back my die out and more or less neck size it. Or see if i have a neck sizer 30 caliber here someplace, ! I am sure its not a rechamber the cases are still H&H, , i have seen blown out shoulders before. I bought a FN marked for the Roberts somebody rechambered to 25,06 and did,t change the mark ! ...
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