tj3006
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Post by tj3006 on Aug 29, 2019 6:04:24 GMT -5
Considering my next revolver. a gary reeder El Diablo with color cased frame. Thinking of doing it in .454.
Odds are i will never need full power casull loads, But I can load as light as I want or as hot as I want, and with the Casull Brass I will not get a hot load stuck in my 6 shot 45 by mistake.
And with all the great bullets on the market cast or jacketed the versatility might come in handy. Eastern Oregon has Big Mule deer. A 250 grain XTP at 1600 fps or more if I want would give me way more range than my currant skills are capable of utilizing.
Thinking a 6 inch heavy barrel Gold bead and V notch rear.
The brass costs a little more , But not much. and its good brass. I can use my 45 LC dies and shell holder right ?
...tj3006
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Post by Encore64 on Aug 29, 2019 6:10:53 GMT -5
With using below max loads your 45 Colt Dies will work fine.
Gary dislikes the 454 Casull, but builds a great one. I have two built by him and both are well built guns.
Sounds like you have a well thought out plan.
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Post by 45MAN on Aug 29, 2019 6:56:59 GMT -5
tj3006: I USED THE 250 XTP @ 1,700 FPS + ON PLAINS GAME, IT WAS TOO MUCH FOR THAT BULLET OUT OF A REVOLVER, WOULD NOT EVEN TRUST IT @ 1,600fps, IF YOU WANT HV WITH LIGHTER BULLETS, GO WITH THE 265 SWIFT AFRAME.
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Post by whitworth on Aug 29, 2019 7:30:10 GMT -5
tj3006: I USED THE 250 XTP @ 1,700 FPS + ON PLAINS GAME, IT WAS TOO MUCH FOR THAT BULLET OUT OF A REVOLVER, WOULD NOT EVEN TRUST IT @ 1,600fps, IF YOU WANT HV WITH LIGHTER BULLETS, GO WITH THE 265 SWIFT AFRAME. My exact sentiments. Another good bullet for high velocity leadings is the 250 XPB... This is just my opinion, but I think the Ruger single-action makes for a better .45 Colt than a .454. My pre-production .454 Bisley was shot loose in fairly short order. Granted, if you don’t push it all the time and limit top end loading you should be fine. In which case, the .454 offers some more flexibility. |
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Post by taffin on Aug 29, 2019 8:55:10 GMT -5
MAX AND ENCORE ARE BOTH RIGHT. I FOUND DECADES AGO THAT IT REQUIRED TOUGHER THAN .45 COLT BULLETS TO STAND UP TO THE HIGHER VELOCITIES OF TOP END .454s. THIS ALOS APPLIES TO SOME .45 COLT CAST BULLETS. EXPERIMENT.
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tj3006
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Post by tj3006 on Aug 29, 2019 13:34:53 GMT -5
Great help from you guys ! I Apreciate the input. It will be a couple weeks then I will send the superblackhawk I got so cheaply to Gary. My jeep needs shocks before hunting season ! They go on next week. Then I will get it shipped.
As far as bullets go maybe keep that XTP down around 1400 or get something tougher is a good plan. A hard cast 260 ish SWC might be a good choice ? Or maybe not. Thanks ! Tj4006
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dhd
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Post by dhd on Sept 2, 2019 7:12:36 GMT -5
Everyone above has a magnitude more experience with the 454 than I, so take what I post with that in mind.
The dies I have are 45 Colt Cowboy dies and to get a 300 gr LFNGC bullet to stay in place (warm, but not max loads) I have to give them a run through a Redding Profile crimp die. Maybe if I started with 454 dies I wouldn't have this issue, but I already had the Profile crimp die. After finding that out, I have used that particular crimp die even for jacketed bullets. This is not a problem for me as I don't load hundreds at a time, and my time is my own.
I don't have 454 dies, so I can't measure them, but I suspect the expander is a thousandth or so smaller to hold those bullets against that extra recoil. More experienced 454 shooters may say I'm wrong here.
The warm/hot loaded 454 is a whole different kind of cat than the 45 Colt to me. Lots of fun and stupid accurate, but 30 some odd grains of H110 will make the other loaded rounds in the cylinder want to move. My 454 is a FA83 btw.
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Post by sixshot on Sept 2, 2019 11:04:26 GMT -5
If you plan on using it for hunting & it sounds like you do I hope you shoot a gun that has the gold bead front & the V rear notch before going that route. I know some like it but shoot one in early morning or late afternoon conditions against a dark background before making your decision. Yes they can be fast, especially in good light but they can also blend into your target in many cases, just my opinion.
A good sharp sight picture is key to successful shooting on game. Good luck with your new gun.
Dick
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 10, 2019 6:59:30 GMT -5
Considering my next revolver. a gary reeder El Diablo with color cased frame. Thinking of doing it in .454. Odds are i will never need full power casull loads, But I can load as light as I want or as hot as I want, and with the Casull Brass I will not get a hot load stuck in my 6 shot 45 by mistake. And with all the great bullets on the market cast or jacketed the versatility might come in handy. Eastern Oregon has Big Mule deer. A 250 grain XTP at 1600 fps or more if I want would give me way more range than my currant skills are capable of utilizing. Thinking a 6 inch heavy barrel Gold bead and V notch rear. The brass costs a little more , But not much. and its good brass. I can use my 45 LC dies and shell holder right ? ...tj3006 ***** The .45 Colt in a proper 5-shot cylinder represents a wide rpm range in performance. Dick Casull’s .454 at full tilt in a tight gun has fearsome power, paid for in RECOIL & BLAST. To download the .454 Casull I prefer to DEEP SEAT and eliminate forward chamber fowling. Not all .45 Colt brass is equal, with my preference Federal and Starline. My experience with nickel plated brass in .45 Colt shows far less reloading life than Federal nickel plated .44 Mag brass. Note: while nickel plate greatly increases resistance to verdigris from contact with leather, nickel plate weakens brass. Whether weakening results from the chemistry of adhesion or different expansion ratios, I don’t know. OIn fact, I’d had rather remarkable reloading life from Federal .44 Mag brass, and impressive with nickel .38 Special and .357 Mag cases. When possible, order a .454 Casull with extra .45 Colt cylinder. You won’t look back. Unless you just must find out what Dick Casull set out to accomplish and did accomplish with his .454 Casull----and you will need a properly-dimensioned revolver----stick with the the 5-round .45 Colt. I’ve had enough of jackmmers and sledgehammers and magnum revolvers to respect what remains of my anatomy, and ski and mountain bike and wrestle steel and shoot magnums today with CONSERVATION of ANATOMY in mind. Which means supple, padded leather gloves for all these activities, elbows slightly bent, and fire every shot like it’s the only one you have. David Bradshaw |
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bamagreg
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Post by bamagreg on Sept 10, 2019 11:34:45 GMT -5
Hornady makes the XTP-Mag version specifically for the 454's and 460.
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tj3006
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Post by tj3006 on Sept 12, 2019 6:13:57 GMT -5
Bama Greg i saw that Magnum XTP in 240 and 300. Also speers deep curl in 260 and 300 gr. I like the Idea of the 260, 240 seems pretty light. But i think either pushed to 15 or 1600 FPS, might be worth a try. Dick, one thing for sure about the sights, is they are easily changed. and not two terribly expensive.
If i don't like the V n gold bead, I will probably a Bowen with a Fiber optic. I am thinking of getting a bowen rough country for my 7.5 in 44 mag, and one of his target sights for mt 5.5 inch .327 fed, I am also thinking of calling Ruger, about the fit of the rear sight in in my 5.5 in 45 LC. The slot in the receiver is to wide, or the sight body is to narrow. The sight assembly has to much room to move !...tj3006
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Post by leadhound on Sept 18, 2019 16:49:52 GMT -5
If i don't like the V n gold bead, I will probably a Bowen with a Fiber optic. Gary has fiber optic front sights that will interchange with the gold bead. And the v noch rear can be swapped out for a factory square sight. |
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nicholst55
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Post by nicholst55 on Sept 18, 2019 18:11:55 GMT -5
Bama Greg i saw that Magnum XTP in 240 and 300. Also speers deep curl in 260 and 300 gr. I like the Idea of the 260, 240 seems pretty light. But i think either pushed to 15 or 1600 FPS, might be worth a try. Dick, one thing for sure about the sights, is they are easily changed. and not two terribly expensive. If i don't like the V n gold bead, I will probably a Bowen with a Fiber optic. I am thinking of getting a bowen rough country for my 7.5 in 44 mag, and one of his target sights for mt 5.5 inch .327 fed, I am also thinking of calling Ruger, about the fit of the rear sight in in my 5.5 in 45 LC. The slot in the receiver is to wide, or the sight body is to narrow. The sight assembly has to much room to move !...tj3006 Keep us posted on their response, please. I somehow expect that they will find both 'within tolerance.' |
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