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Post by bigbrowndog on Jun 11, 2019 19:07:51 GMT -5
Been shooting a mountain mound 375 gc in my 510 gnr revolvers and in my marlin 50ak. Plenty for paper and hogs! I’ve got a 355gr WFN bullet from MBW that’s almost a wadcutter. From my 50AK at close S. Texas brush distances, <100 yards it is impressive on hogs and deer. I’ve not tried it in my 500L, yet. trapr
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Post by boolitdesigner on Jun 11, 2019 20:02:57 GMT -5
Given 1200fps, you can choose between a monometal deep penetrating bullet, a controlled expansion HP/SP, or something like Fermin describes that has a nose that shreds and a shank that penetrates, I mean that’s basically a Nosler Partition. Trapr I'm basically the instigator of that type of design....... specifically the 640 nose design on a number of hollow points. In the last 30 years I have killed all a large number of deer and a whole lot of big and smaller varmints with them out of handguns and rifles. I know what they do for butchering a lot of animals seeing what happened where...... you usually see the HP opening immediately about 1/2" from the hide with a large expansion cavity about 6" in with the base of the bullet from the base of the HP to the bottom of the bullet going on thru creating the vaunted two holes. Performance of these has shown straight downward travel to about a 50 yard run depending on just which HP bullet in 357 Mag, 41 Mag, 44 Special, 44 Mag, 45 ACP or 45 Colt used. Keep in mind a lot of these animals were rather thin across the heart lung area. The Nosler partition type performance was coined by a friend of mine a long time ago and oft repeated since. Jun 11, 2019 11:56:54 GMT -5 2 Dogs said: Some of us have been discussing the success of the 480 Ruger with the 385 grain Miha HP traveling in the 1100 fps range pretty much killing and penetrating all the bigger critters in the USA and doing it without all the blast/horsepower/recoil the full on 475/500 big bore loads bring to the field. My own pet load with my 475 Linebaugh was a 420 grain bullet at 1350 fps and I just can't imagine the 480/385/1100 Miha combination could run with it. But there it is.
Basically you are stating that these perform like the old 4570 carbine load (400 gr at something less than 1200 fps...... look what that did to the vast buffalo herds. Big bullets kill, as long as they have enough animal to disrupt, but finding that animal is a hard thing to do at times if you don't anchor it in place. Put one of these thru a skinny 6" wide animal and you get a runner a whole lot of the time. Without a big bluff nose, deer often don't react to being hit well. HP the bullet correctly and the game plan changes immensely. The HP is put there to disrupt the first part of the animal penetrated before it exits and dumps what is left of it's energy in some hillside. Unlike solids, the HP'd bullet works best in the typical heart/lung area. If a HP doesn't start expanding immediately and doesn't expand at least to 2 calibers, I usually refer to it as a solid.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Jun 12, 2019 4:08:04 GMT -5
In no way to disregard anyone that has posted on this thread. And I have read all the replies. At the moment I have my 480 loaded with a couple 477/640 deep Hollow Nose. (Sorry but there ain't nuthin pointy about a flat meplat 475 boolit, so I have to call it a hollow NOSE) FOLLOWED BY 4, 477/640 solids. For myself, I need a heavy revolver to smash as much heavy and very Hard bones as possible. Brown bear/ grizzly #1 absolute don't want it gittin me or mine thing. When it takes sometimes 18" inside the animal to get to the heart. And more from some angles. Penetration is what I need combined with as much smack down as I can get. I don't have the answers. But I've never got in a fight with a brown bear and wished I had less power in my hands. And for most of my battles I was armed with either a 458 Win or 416 Taylor or Rem mag. With mono metal expanding bullets going as fast as I could get them going. Consequently I've enjoyed spectacular 1 shot stops. But the thing is, I really don't want to experience anything other than spectacular stops.
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Post by whitworth on Jun 12, 2019 5:41:07 GMT -5
In no way to disregard anyone that has posted on this thread. And I have read all the replies. At the moment I have my 480 loaded with a couple 477/640 deep Hollow Nose. (Sorry but there ain't nuthin pointy about a flat meplat 475 boolit, so I have to call it a hollow NOSE) FOLLOWED BY 4, 477/640 solids. For myself, I need a heavy revolver to smash as much heavy and very Hard bones as possible. Brown bear/ grizzly #1 absolute don't want it gittin me or mine thing. When it takes sometimes 18" inside the animal to get to the heart. And more from some angles. Penetration is what I need combined with as much smack down as I can get. I don't have the answers. But I've never got in a fight with a brown bear and wished I had less power in my hands. And for most of my battles I was armed with either a 458 Win or 416 Taylor or Rem mag. With mono metal expanding bullets going as fast as I could get them going. Consequently I've enjoyed spectacular 1 shot stops. But the thing is, I really don't want to experience anything other than spectacular stops. For that bone-smashing, uncompromising penetration, a monolithic solid is the way to achieve that. Not necessary on thin-skinned game that won’t hurt you, but in your situation, your needs exceed the capabilities of cast bullets.
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Post by 45MAN on Jun 12, 2019 6:23:13 GMT -5
BOOLIT IS CORRECT, WITH REVOLVER BULLETS THAT MAINTAIN BULLET INTEGRITY YOU NEED ENUFF ANIMAL FOR THEM TO WORK ON. I PREFER BULLET INTEGRITY, ALTHOUGH I HAVE STARTED TO USE SOME SWIFT AFRAMES, AND SOME 45 CAST HP's THAT SIXSHOT SENT ME, ON DEER SIZED ANIMALS, BUT NO MATTER, I HAVE ALWAYS PREFERRED THRU THE SHOULDERS SHOTS BECAUSE THAT GIVES A LOT OF BONE AND MUSCLE FOR THE BULLET TO WORK ON, EVEN ON A WHITETAIL.
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Post by rleprechaun on Jun 13, 2019 21:00:01 GMT -5
I have been handgun hunting exclusively for 34 years. one shot 550 lbs hog with 5 shot 45 colt, 335 wfngc at 1440 fps. went through both front shoulders. One shot record book black bear with 416 Taylor and 350 gr Swift Aframe. one shot cape buffalo with 416 taylor and 400gr swift Aframe. killed 15 African antelope from Eland to Spring bock with 378 GNR encore, with 250gr swift Aframe, some one shot, some more, none got away. What is most important about all this, SHOT PLACEMENT.
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Post by edk on Jun 14, 2019 5:49:46 GMT -5
Linebaugh wrote sometime late in the last century that 320gr in the 44(SD.248) and 350gr in the 45(SD.246) would do about all that could be done (sectional density figures added by me). Stands to reason there would be little need to pass 390gr in the 475(SD.247).
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Post by whitworth on Jun 14, 2019 5:53:36 GMT -5
I have been handgun hunting exclusively for 34 years. one shot 550 lbs hog with 5 shot 45 colt, 335 wfngc at 1440 fps. went through both front shoulders. One shot record book black bear with 416 Taylor and 350 gr Swift Aframe. one shot cape buffalo with 416 taylor and 400gr swift Aframe. killed 15 African antelope from Eland to Spring bock with 378 GNR encore, with 250gr swift Aframe, some one shot, some more, none got away. What is most important about all this, SHOT PLACEMENT. But you also made the argument for tough, quality bullets. If you hadn’t used a quality bullet with your bottle-neck cartridges (and the velocity they generate over typical revolver chamberings), your results may have differed despite your obviously impeccable placement. Placement most certainly trumps all else, but if your bullet’s not up to the task...
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Post by tradmark on Jun 14, 2019 7:05:39 GMT -5
Linebaugh wrote sometime late in the last century that 320gr in the 44(SD.248) and 350gr in the 45(SD.246) would do about all that could be done (sectional density figures added by me). Stands to reason there would be little need to pass 390gr in the 475(SD.247). Linebaugh never really hunted much himself.
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Post by leftysixgun on Jun 14, 2019 9:31:19 GMT -5
Linebaugh wrote sometime late in the last century that 320gr in the 44(SD.248) and 350gr in the 45(SD.246) would do about all that could be done (sectional density figures added by me). Stands to reason there would be little need to pass 390gr in the 475(SD.247). Linebaugh never really hunted much himself. Hahahaha.....
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Post by bula on Jun 14, 2019 11:43:55 GMT -5
..Then..some famous whacker of critters will write an article on the 529 Rain of Death... followed by an article saying you can kill deer all day long with a .357.. So went the last few decades..and our money..gladly. Life is good.
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Post by tradmark on Jun 14, 2019 14:31:51 GMT -5
Yes. Yes it is. U can kill deer with a slingshot. Not when or where a 357became circumspect with deer but it happened somewhere
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Jun 14, 2019 14:46:33 GMT -5
I know a guy that has killed several Sitka Blacktails with his Berreta 92. I know a couple guys that have killed 6+' square black bears with their Sig and Glock 40 S&W . I don't see any problem with someone using a 357 on deer. Just gotta put the bullet in the right spot.
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Post by edk on Jun 14, 2019 19:35:12 GMT -5
Linebaugh wrote sometime late in the last century that 320gr in the 44(SD.248) and 350gr in the 45(SD.246) would do about all that could be done (sectional density figures added by me). Stands to reason there would be little need to pass 390gr in the 475(SD.247). Linebaugh never really hunted much himself. So in other words the guy who put together Seyfried's 45 and proceeded to invent/assemble 475s and 500s for many of the world's handgun hunters (and obviously garnered PLENTY of feedback over the decades) should be discounted?
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Jun 14, 2019 20:45:16 GMT -5
Imho, Not discounted at all. But perhaps the knowledge of the subject has grown.
( just trying to head a skirmish off at the pass)
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