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Post by whitworth on May 1, 2019 8:02:39 GMT -5
What did you use on your cape buffalo? All large bovines of the cape buff and waterbuff variety will remain upright for at least 30 seconds or more with heart blown out unless you hit the spine or cns. This means any competent shot can emoty a mag into them if they stay put at the first shot before they fall doesnt mean they had to. Nugent did what any responsible hunter would do and that is to shoot till it drops. Ive seen 475’s take over 10 hits with good loads. I agree the cast bullets dont do well on these. I think cast bullets are the stunt imho. Btw, bison dont count. Not tough per se. I can tell you there’s been a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking over these hunts and it’s perplexing to me. I know these guys all practice thoroughly in order to deliver the goods when it’s go time. I will add that only a fool doesn’t keep pumping lead into the animal if the opportunity presents itself. You won’t ever hear your PH say: “Don’t shoot it again, your first shot was perfect.” Nothing worse than watching five figures disappear into the bush, never to be seen again...
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Post by contender on May 1, 2019 9:41:21 GMT -5
As with many human endeavors,, just because it can be done,, doesn't always mean it should be done,, ESPECIALLY by people who are not willing to work at it & prepare everything. As noted,, many critters have been killed by calibers not normally associated with hunting them. And,, often it can be either a case of luck,, or a well prepared hunt. Yet,, 99.9% of the population can not or will not rely upon luck or put in the prep required to take on such tasks.
This reminded me of a gentleman who set some world records in SCUBA diving. Neil Watson. A deep dive, on open circuit air scuba equipment to 427 ft, and a second record of swimming 66 miles underwater, between the Bahamas & Florida. Now the deep dive was the most dangerous of the two. Due to increased pressures,, air, in concentrated form,, allows the oxygen to become toxic at depths of 297 ft. IN THEORY,, and for most people. In fact to my (old & possibly out of date info,) at least 6 people died trying to break Neil's record deep dive. But I had the pleasure of spending some time with Neil and was able to pick his brain a bit about this dive. I was a SCUBA instructor for many years,, and as such, it was very interesting to me. Neil explained how he spent over a year in prep for this dive. How he dove daily to depths of 200 ft or so, keeping DETAILED records of everything,, including his diet. He explained a lot of the details,, and in short,, upon the explanation,, I understood why he was able to accomplish it,, and others failed.
The same goes for hunting with what most of us would consider a "less than ideal" caliber or firearm for such critters. As Max has pointed out,, Dobbs puts in the prep & such to be able to do such things.
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Post by whitworth on May 1, 2019 9:54:01 GMT -5
And I will add that people get killed hunting Cape buffalo and other assorted dangerous game with "appropriately" large caliber rifles on a fairly regular basis. Preparation is way underrated.
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Post by mike454 on May 1, 2019 10:37:50 GMT -5
a shooting adage I think Hal Swiggett went by. 200grs. of bullet and 1000fps, will serve very nicely for a minimum standard of adequacy for hunting I remember Jeff Cooper saying .40 cal, 200 grains and 1000 fps. can't remember where I saw the quote though.
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Post by bigbrowndog on May 1, 2019 13:08:17 GMT -5
over estimating ones ability and equipment, is probably the number one reason for failure, number two being under estimating your opponent, and number three being not taking anything into consideration.
I get to see these three in action almost every day with my job,....preparation is something even SunTzu considered critical!!!
Trapr
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Post by bagdadjoe on May 3, 2019 13:27:06 GMT -5
..."BV: Are Cape buffalo weary animals."
Well, hell yes...you chase them for several days, they get plumb wore out. 😁
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Post by whitworth on May 3, 2019 14:32:21 GMT -5
..."BV: Are Cape buffalo weary animals." Well, hell yes...you chase them for several days, they get plumb wore out. 😁 You get worn out and the animals just keep going! :-)
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