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Post by AxeHandle on Apr 27, 2019 6:26:05 GMT -5
Traded for a 8 shot 357 Redhawk. Short barrel beast. Never liked the SA trigger in the RH. I'll bob the hammer in this one and make it a DAO gun. Anybody experienced any ignition issues with bobbed hammers and stock springs in the RH?
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Post by sixshot on Apr 27, 2019 20:30:52 GMT -5
Stan, don't know about the Redhawks but quite a few people had problems with ignition in their S&W's once they bobbed the hammers. To me it was simply crazy & was a answer to a problem that didn't exist. No one could ever out run a S&W trigger & by taking weight off it made primers harder to ignite & it was almost a necessity that you seat your Federal (had to be Federal) primers with a Dillon 650 press to a crush fit, nothing else was 100% reliable. I had a friend who had 3 competition guns & he had sent 2 of them to a well known gunsmith to be tuned & have the hammers bobbed, the only gun he didn't have trouble with was the one he didn't send. He spent a lot of money on the other two & returned them more than once, they never did run 100%.
Dick
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Post by bcelliott on Apr 27, 2019 20:33:35 GMT -5
Send it to Jack Huntington. He did the triggers on two Redhawks for me and the single action pulls now are indistinguishable from a Smith...I kid you not. He is quick and price is very reasonable.
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Post by AxeHandle on Apr 27, 2019 21:49:26 GMT -5
I've run K frame S&W centerfire guns for decades with bobbed hammers and tuned actions that never bobble. Played with a 617 for a while.. never did get it to run reliably. I run an Apex hammer in a 629 that is a 100% gun. I'd expect the RH to run fine with full power springs and a bobbed hammer but was hoping to get some first hand experience here. Now thinking I'll not bob the hammer until I'm holding spare. The bob on the RH is for the same reason for the bob on the 629. One less thing to hang up during the the draw.
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Post by sheriff on Apr 28, 2019 11:43:12 GMT -5
Never 'bobbed' a Red Hawk, but run several Security Sixes with 'bobbed' hammers and they never missed a beat. Don't see any reason for the Red Hawk to be different.
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Post by smirker on Apr 28, 2019 18:29:09 GMT -5
Hamilton Bowen offers XP mainsprings if bobbing the hammer creates ignition problems. I believe longer firing pins are also available. A good 'smith will get it done for you.
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Post by gregs on Feb 23, 2022 16:50:33 GMT -5
Bowen wrote about ignition problems in his book and basically said the pin had to have .050 protrusion which was the big hang up. I'd either send it to Bowen or JRH to have someone who is aware of the problems and diagnose what needs to be done to make it reliable.
I had a light strike problem in a GP100 that I resprung. I finally shimmed the the hammer to keep it from rubbing on the insides of the frame and loosing speed. Now, I can run whatever primer I want double action without fear.
If Federal small pistol primers were available I'd keep my mouth shut but I haven't seen any in quite awhile and during normal times they can be hit or miss on availability.
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Post by mattyb on Feb 25, 2022 22:48:22 GMT -5
Not on a RH per se, but I bob the hammer on every DA gun I own. It’s a complicated process, so I’ll try to explain it-
I take a Dremel cutoff disk, chop the hammer spur off, file/sand/polish, re-blue with a blueing pen(when applicable), and then shoot it. Never had problems on S&W model 10s, 19s, 13s, or Ruger GP100s. Winchester or Federal primers, CCI primers, factory ammo, etc… never an issue. I’m not a gunsmith, engineer, or particularly smart in any way. I don’t change springs or anything, I just shoot buckets of .38s and 357s. I have absolutely zero use for a hammer spur on a DA revolver, so I cut them off. It does nothing to improve the trigger pull that I can tell, I just think they are as useful as the “g” in lasagna. Only my opinion, and I’m nobody special.
I hope that helps in some way.
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Post by kings6 on Feb 25, 2022 22:51:15 GMT -5
I had Alan Harton reshape and drastically reduce the hammer on an SP101 for me and it still went bang every time I squeezed the trigger.
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Post by 45MAN on Feb 26, 2022 6:46:20 GMT -5
Not on a RH per se, but I bob the hammer on every DA gun I own. It’s a complicated process, so I’ll try to explain it- I take a Dremel cutoff disk, chop the hammer spur off, file/sand/polish, re-blue with a blueing pen(when applicable), and then shoot it. Never had problems on S&W model 10s, 19s, 13s, or Ruger GP100s. Winchester or Federal primers, CCI primers, factory ammo, etc… never an issue. I’m not a gunsmith, engineer, or particularly smart in any way. I don’t change springs or anything, I just shoot buckets of .38s and 357s. I have absolutely zero use for a hammer spur on a DA revolver, so I cut them off. It does nothing to improve the trigger pull that I can tell, I just think they are as useful as the “g” in lasagna. Only my opinion, and I’m nobody special. I hope that helps in some way. mattb: I WOULD SAY THIS IS MORE THAN JUST OPINION, IT IS A FAIR REPORT OF YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH BOBBED HAMMERS. AS PRIMARILY A SA GUY I USUALLY SHOOT MY DA REVOLVERS SA STYLE.
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 26, 2022 13:48:10 GMT -5
Bowen wrote about ignition problems in his book and basically said the pin had to have .050 protrusion which was the big hang up. I'd either send it to Bowen or JRH to have someone who is aware of the problems and diagnose what needs to be done to make it reliable. I had a light strike problem in a GP100 that I resprung. I finally shimmed the the hammer to keep it from rubbing on the insides of the frame and loosing speed. Now, I can run whatever primer I want double action without fear. If Federal small pistol primers were available I'd keep my mouth shut but I haven't seen any in quite awhile and during normal times they can be hit or miss on availability. ***** A double action the size of a Redhawk will never shave the speed of a K-frame in double action. That truck wheel Redhawk cylinder must accelerate from a stop to index the next chamber, and a cylinder full of heavy bullets adds to its inertia... and then, to its momentum. Steam locomotive cylinder aside, Hamilton Bowen raised the issue of a short firing pin. In Bill Ruger’s drive to have one part do two jobs, a lone coil spring must remain at compression (double action stroke) through HAMMER FALL. That usually isn’t a problem. A lighter spring to ease DA pull simultaneously lightens hammer fall. Colt’s single spring concept relies on a V-leaf, with each finger exerting a degree of independent force. The Redhawk’s coil spring equally against hammer & trigger. A heavier hammer seems to be in order. Against that, I don’t recall a Redhawk double action misfire (factory mainspring) in temperatures slightly above and considerably below ZERO Fahrenheit. Firing pin protrusion is critical to ignition, and a lightened hammer may prevent full protrusion----shallow INDENT. To live on the margin of consistency, whether the game is primer IGNITION or chamber PRESSURE, invites Murphy. Yet another dimentional factor intrudes: the TRANSFER BAR. The transfer bar must be long enough to overlap the firing pin. Shallow primer indent* Short transfer bar. * Transfer bar with bevel on top edge. * Beveled or rounded firing pin. * Light or short mainspring. * Premature trigger release. Note: some firing pins are domed; full flat of transfer bar must overlap pin. David Bradshaw
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Post by Yetiman on Feb 26, 2022 18:01:25 GMT -5
Send it to Jack Huntington. He did the triggers on two Redhawks for me and the single action pulls now are indistinguishable from a Smith...I kid you not. He is quick and price is very reasonable. What he said. I sent my 44 mag version (Kodiak Backpacker) to Jack Huntington and the single action is now simply sublime (with the stock spring in it too). I shoot mine at the range as much now as any other revolver I have for the simple fun of shooting it. Finding the right grips to fit your paws goes miles for the enjoyment too. I carry it quite often also. It conceals really well IWB or out.
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Post by AxeHandle on Apr 3, 2022 11:52:25 GMT -5
Found a Redhawk hammer... We will be bobbing here!
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Post by 500fksjr on Apr 3, 2022 13:10:07 GMT -5
Found a Redhawk hammer... We will be bobbing here! Stan, this is a three year old thread glad you found a hammer!! That said please let us know the out come...
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Post by bula on Apr 3, 2022 14:04:05 GMT -5
I'm still enjoying the , "as useful as the "g" in lasagna" line.
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