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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 18, 2019 7:46:50 GMT -5
getting ready to do some loading over the summer for my 480 Rugers, & my 500 JRH... back in old school revolver self defense, I remember hearing of people mixing different bullets, say for example 2 soft expanding bullets followed by something deeper penetrating, just in case those uber great hollow points fail on leather jacket wearing thug...
With the 480, I'm looking at the Deep Curl Speers in 325 Grain, as an expanding bullet, & the Lehigh solids in 330 grain, as a deeper penetrating, trying to match a load that will get me a similar point of impact, so I'd have an expanding & non expanding bullets of similar weights that in theory should shoot to close enough to the same point of impact
just curious if any of you handgun hunters ever mix up your loads in the same cylinder???
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 18, 2019 8:10:30 GMT -5
getting ready to do some loading over the summer for my 480 Rugers, & my 500 JRH... back in old school revolver self defense, I remember hearing of people mixing different bullets, say for example 2 soft expanding bullets followed by something deeper penetrating, just in case those uber great hollowpoints fail on leather jacket wearing thug... With the 480, I'm looking at the Deep Curl Speers in 325 Grain, asa an expanding bullet, & the Lehigh solids in 330 grain, as a deeper penetrating, trying to match a load that will get me a similar point of impact, so I'd have an expanding & non expanding bullets of similar weights that in theory should shoot to close enough to the same point of impact just curious if any of you handgun hunters ever mix up your loads in the same cylinder??? ***** NEVER. To mix ammo in a cylinder presupposes action follows your script. Likewise in self-defense. To mix a deep-penetrator with a low-penetrator risks putting the right bullet in the wrong place. Equally bad, the poor old mind staggers around unprepared for SPONTANEOUS ACTION. David Bradshaw
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Post by bula on Apr 18, 2019 8:20:19 GMT -5
I'd not mix in a primary hunting handgun. Amongst extra ammo carried, yes, a variety available. A field gun, utility, yard work gun, a snake/rat shot load first per season.
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Post by squigz on Apr 18, 2019 8:27:37 GMT -5
Pick one bullet that is going to work for all situations. There's hundreds if not thousands of combinations out there for different types.
As far as that Speer goes, I got more penetration than expansion with it. Granted, I didn't hit bone. They also make a 275gr HP if you're looking for the elusive expansion.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 18, 2019 9:14:19 GMT -5
I have loaded one snake shot followed by 4 or 5 bullets, depending on cylinder capacity. I have to remember to click one hammer cock I order to rotate past the shot if my target animal presents itself. I have twice fired shot when I needed to fire a bullet, once at a target and once at a pig. Other than shot and bullets, I do not mix ammo.
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Post by jgt on Apr 18, 2019 9:42:51 GMT -5
First...When I change a load I have to re-sight my gun in most cases. So mixing loads will likely cause a situation where some of those bullet will not strike where I intended. Second...You are talking about two of the largest big bores available to shooters today. They make large holes, any expansion is icing on the cake. Third...Keep it simple. Bullet placement is the most important element in shooting.
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Post by potatojudge on Apr 18, 2019 9:44:45 GMT -5
No, mixing ammo is just one more thing your brain is supposed to remember and be distracted by when a target presents itself. Find a load that does everything you need and stick with it. Bradshaw makes a good point- presuming events follow the script that your order of bullets is meant to serve is to be unprepared for variation.
People make a big deal of carrying shot in snake country, but generally you keep your distance when you see a snake and if needed most can be dispatched with a stick or well aimed solid. It's a rare event that a snake needs to be shot NOW, and if that's the case (for example, a rattler by your buddy's leg) shot is as likely to hit him as the snake. Better to carry a walking stick with a slight fork in one end to pin the head down.
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Post by whitworth on Apr 18, 2019 10:10:51 GMT -5
It used to be common practice to hunt Cape buffalo (with a rifle) with a mix of bullets. First shot with an expanding bullet, the remainder solids. tradmark will hopefully come in here and weigh in. In the past he loaded a 325 grain A-frame in his .454 FA83 for the first shot, followed up with Barnes Buster loads. He worked two loads up that had the same POI. Since then, he doesn't bother with the solids and just uses A-frames.
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Post by Aggie01 on Apr 18, 2019 10:57:07 GMT -5
I go a step farther in the other direction and and try to settle on one load per gun. Even better, one load per caliber if more than one gun likes it. I have 10 .44 Specials and all I load in .44 SPL is Skeeter's load. If I want more, I go to a different round/gun. I have even come to the conclusion that multi-cylinder guns are an absolute waste of money for me. I have 20+ active calibers in...more than 50... firearms. Once I get something dialed in, I want to leave it alone.
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Post by bula on Apr 18, 2019 12:05:33 GMT -5
As I said earlier in thread..primary hunting handgun..that's one thing. Here, right now, just broke 70 and am mowing first high growth patches and wasps coming out. So..yard work, utility armament a bit different ! Where the bleep did I leave those rice loads !
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 18, 2019 12:48:30 GMT -5
my primary question here ( because of the calibers listed ) would be for game that may hunt you, or run you over after it's dead, but before it realizes that...
buffalo or other larger or meaner bovine species, most of the bears, Moose, etc... maybe that hunting bullet is your choice, but after the 2nd round, a shoulder buster is called for... knowing that from the start, that you have 2 bonded core bullets in the 1st 2 chambers, & if a 3rd shot is required, mono metal solids finish out the cylinder to plant some big stomping critter firmly on the ground, until the 1st couple hunting rounds have the time needed to do their job...
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Post by sixshot on Apr 18, 2019 12:57:25 GMT -5
If any of you have ever been in the Middle Fork of the Salmon in spring time you know that it is infested with Rattlesnakes & if you've ever been around me you know I can't hear. That's not a good combination on a spring bear hunt! Most times I've had my kids walk in front & we've killed a boat load of Rattlesnakes & I do carry a shot load in my revolver & it's been fired many times & sometimes the spare in my pocket has been fired. Yes I've clubbed them & hit them with rocks but they can get away pretty fast & I can shoot faster than I can run. Suit yourself, I use shot loads. At first you don't see them & then all of a sudden they are everywhere & I mean everywhere. They seem to have a nasty attitude in the spring, I calm them down.
Dick
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 18, 2019 13:00:19 GMT -5
Dick... that sounds like you need a double rig... one gun fully loaded with shot shells
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Post by blacktailslayer on Apr 18, 2019 13:49:37 GMT -5
I am a firm beleiver in one load for a caliber. In my '06 it is a 165 grain Accubond at approx 2600 fps for all of my big game hunting; antelope, deer, elk and bears. It is overkill for antelope and a littel big for deer but just right for bears and elk with good shot placement. Hasn't failed me in many years of using this load.
In my 45 Colt it is a 300 gn LFN cast bullet with 23gr of H110 for everything I ask the guns to do from self defense to hunting deer and bears.
Don D.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 18, 2019 16:49:17 GMT -5
I agree with Dicks assessment on the desire to have shot available, sometimes the slithery fellas can surprise you and get you riled up enough that a single projectile may need to be fired a few times to be effective, and they also have a nasty habit of moving right when the trigger breaks and you miss.
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