eskimo36
.375 Atomic
Oklahoma
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Post by eskimo36 on Apr 23, 2019 8:48:40 GMT -5
Have you thought of good old UNIQUE.... Just looked over on LoadData.com and they have quite a few loads from 900 to 1400 fps with bullets ranging from 285 to 405 grains... I used it in my .475 Linebaugh for light loads... FA 83 6" Montana Bullet Works: 330 LBT/12.0/1060 400 LBT/12.0/1042 420 LBT/12.0/1087 Bob Only on this forum are 420's at nearly 1100 fps, a light load. I shoot 10 gr of Unique under 375-420 gr in my Harton 480 Bisquero. Curtis
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Post by bula on Apr 23, 2019 9:15:25 GMT -5
That one is a SA and the other a DA likely wouldn't factor into the loads for me. The barrel lengths are close enough for a single powder choice too. That one is a hunting gun, primary gun and the other what amounts to a back-up, utility gun I see as the difference. I'd like to see the load for the Alaskan stay subsonic after having shot a number of times in the dark, and without time to acquire hearing protection. Some of the large meplat bullets, like FWC's, may not give you accuracy at distance but be fine for that Alaskan. You likely won't like or want the same bullet for each application. Well, that big HP...in your 'hood could do it ? No brown bears or Watusi in Minn, or Ohio.
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Post by trueat1stlight on Apr 23, 2019 10:12:42 GMT -5
Tag! This is something I’ll be working on soon too.
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Post by bula on Apr 24, 2019 12:05:35 GMT -5
I started looking at the copper solid type bullets when a young friend asked about bear hunting in Penn.. No bait allowed, no dogs allowed. He/we are hunting Laurel/'Rhody jungles. Success rates in single digits. Either you have jumped the bear from it's daytime bed or it was driven past you. You shoot at the middle of the black thing that is exiting stage left, fast. Seems like a decent job for a handgun. Texas heart shots have to be considered. So, while a 357 can be used on a treed bear and Squigz managed to get maybe a near broadside crossing shot(amazing shooting !)..can't figure on such, and plan for worse. A "bear get off me" load and gun..the bear close and getting closer, or on you...not quite the same. Me, here, black bear though Penns can be BIG ! Stay safe folks.. I kinda think the lathe turned solid copper bullets may have an advantage at AWAY out there ranges, but not my problem either. My 2 480's are pouting, need some outside range time, this "problem" to get more attention soon. Oh, every time I go to order more Lehigh 480's from Midway, they say some guy from Minn.. cleaned them out ! LOL.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 24, 2019 13:05:25 GMT -5
As a rule, how big are the black bears you will be hunting ? Not saying the mono metal bullets won't work. But most of the cast bullets for the 480 that I've seen on these boards would work great! Even jacketed like the XTP. A Texas heart shot doesn't need to reach the heart. But it does need to smash the pelvis. Or the spine. That will dump the bear then you can run up to it and whack it in the head or shoulders. Or both. I'm never bashful about shootin bear an extra shot or 3 . I'm not much on eating bears.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 24, 2019 13:47:03 GMT -5
Thinking Midway has those copper bullets on sale right now
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Post by dougader on Apr 24, 2019 20:33:17 GMT -5
bula's bear pic showing size potential.... .
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Post by bula on Apr 25, 2019 7:43:29 GMT -5
To be clear, not my bear and I didn't take the pic. My friend got the image from a hunting web site. Bear said to be taken in NY state last season. A couple of people that I've showed have said it's gotta be photo-shopped ! My comment is that I recognise a 400lb plus load on the hind end of a utility ATV. We haul multiple people at a time to stands or down to the river to fish. Actually, at least with our gang, a rider and 2 passengers on the rear rack go well beyond 400lbs and the rear suspension matches the pic. But anyway. Pa and NY have more than a few big busters every year. I'll add, the ATV is 4ft wide..
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Post by bula on Apr 25, 2019 7:59:31 GMT -5
MWM has us discussing 480 loads here, now, so multiple bullets will likely work. That's whats good with the bigger bores, enough gun. Still, can't wonder whats best ? My specific use is skewed to needing penetration. A get of me load may want some expansion ? With the Speer SP that Squigz punched right thru his bear.. I keep wondering if that 385gr cast HP might be fine.
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Post by squigz on Apr 25, 2019 8:24:22 GMT -5
MWM has us discussing 480 loads here, now, so multiple bullets will likely work. That's whats good with the bigger bores, enough gun. Still, can't wonder whats best ? My specific use is skewed to needing penetration. A get of me load may want some expansion ? With the Speer SP that Squigz punched right thru his bear.. I keep wondering if that 385gr cast HP might be fine. As happy as I am with the performance of the bullet, I'm still slightly disappointed. I've got some of Dick's 385HP bullets, and I made sure that I bought enough stock for years to come, and they're going to be used here on out for bear and deer. I have confidence in the Speer's but I'm disappointed that when skinning and going through the meat it seemed like just a complete pass through, single hole, no expansion which is not what I wanted the bullet to do. I also have a picture of my cousin when he turned 12 he shot a bear that was somewhere in the 480lb live weight range. We've gotten several in the 350+ range where we bear hunt and I think at least 1 over 500. I'll see if I can dig that picture out. He's actually registered in Boon and Crockett I believe for the size of the bear for his age.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 25, 2019 12:32:22 GMT -5
What do those bears eat in Pa. ? That's a nice big black bear ! Feel bad for that 4 wheeler. But I still wouldn't hesitate a second to shoot one with a 325 gr XTP@ around 1300 or more. A nice thing about the Lehigh and CEB solids imho is, they are similar weight to the 325 gr XTP, should be able to be shot at similar velocities and have similar trajectories. And so wouldn't need any sight correction . Load 1 or 2 expanding bullets first up then solids in the rest of the cylinder.
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Post by squigz on Apr 25, 2019 12:42:26 GMT -5
What do those bears eat in Pa. ? That's a nice big black bear ! Feel bad for that 4 wheeler. But I still wouldn't hesitate a second to shoot one with a 325 gr XTP@ around 1300 or more. A nice thing about the Lehigh and CEB solids imho is, they are similar weight to the 325 gr XTP, should be able to be shot at similar velocities and have similar trajectories. And so wouldn't need any sight correction . Load 1 or 2 expanding bullets first up then solids in the rest of the cylinder. I've been told by the game commission scientists on multiple occasions that the areas that i hunt have a high geothermal temperature so it allows the bears to stay warmer longer and keep them out of hibernation. Basically, if a normal bear goes into hibernation around October-November (maybe earlier I'm not familiar with other climates) the bears go down in January-February in PA (my area of hunting at least) then only wake up in late March or April! So they're not using up that hibernation fat so it just goes right back into them. Gets them real nice and fat doing that. So on average our 3-4 year old bear is right around 200lbs live weight. The one I shot this year was exactly that tho it looks smaller than what you think a 200lb animal would look like. Waiting to hear back on the age of it from the Game commission, I'm estimating it only to be a 3-4 year old bear.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 25, 2019 13:41:46 GMT -5
WHAT??? who said that
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 25, 2019 22:22:59 GMT -5
Did I plagiarize you ? Hope not ! It does seem to be a good working solution tho.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 26, 2019 10:13:31 GMT -5
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