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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 7, 2019 17:45:41 GMT -5
The bottom pig is quite a good looking pig,.......as pigs go!!
Trapr
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 7, 2019 18:48:07 GMT -5
If I was hunting specifically with a handgun. The 6 1/2" SBH 5 shot 480 would be my top pick. Put a scope base on it like Whitworth had on his and a 30 mm Ultra Dot then have at it. For defense , I prefer a double action , as it can be ready to go instantly without being cocked. Checking out things that go bump in then night, or day for that matter. Its nicer imho. Really hard to beat a 4.2" Redhawk 45 Colt . But I don't want to shell out the bucks for one. An SRH Alaskan in 454 or 480 is imo another great option.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 7, 2019 20:09:31 GMT -5
My 480 Alaskan is my 2nd favorite snubbie
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Post by sixshot on Apr 8, 2019 1:18:12 GMT -5
I think the way you are explaining it the shorter barrel would be best & also a double action in a Super Redhawk is a great gun. Used that same gun in a 480 on my bull moose. Up there where you're at you might need one in a hurry & double action just might be the ticket. Good luck.
Dick
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 8, 2019 15:12:20 GMT -5
When I mention shorter barreled da large caliber revolvers. Some may think I'm thinking in terms of quick draw. That is the furthest thing from my mind and experience. Actually the primary usefulness of a da revolver for my use is believe it or not, opening doors to see what's on the porch . Or clearing the outside of the house, walking around corners ect. I've opened a door and had a brown bear 4 feet away . Imo a good bear defense hand gun HAS to be able to be fired 1 handed with speed and total control. Yes I have done the door/tent flap open thing mamy many times with single actions . Cocked with my finger off the trigger. However, then the gun has to be decocked if its not fired. Which is probably more than 95% of the time. Its a too easy way to have an accidental discharge. Adrenalin is pumping big time. Pouring rain and gusty winds and its pitch black outside. Sometimes dark inside also if the flashlight or headlamp quits working when you NEED it. Been there done that. Then the wife starts yelling and the dogs are all amped up. Pretty hard for everyone to get back to sleep after that. With a da its easier to be safe as the gun doesn't cock until there is brown or black fur in front of the muzzle.
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Post by sixshot on Apr 9, 2019 0:52:24 GMT -5
Sounds like you've got it figured out!
Dick
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Post by crazycarl on Apr 9, 2019 19:25:00 GMT -5
In my (limited) experience, the .45Colt is much more pleasant to shoot than the .44Mag. Hated factory ammo in my long-since departed 6.5" ported Taurus M44 & didn't find factory ammo particularly pleasantin a friend's 7 1/2" Redhawk. 'N Buffalo Bore full-tilt hunting loads out of the RH? No thank you. Fired one round of that mess & handed the gun back. Shot another friend's 5 1/2" .45 Colt Blackhawk, with 260gr LWNs at 1275fps & loved it. A thumper for sure, but a much more pleasant (very) insistent shove, versus the snappy sharp kick of the .44Mag.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 9, 2019 20:33:52 GMT -5
My favorite load in 44 mag is the Buffalo Bore 340 gr +P+ . From a 7 1/2" SBH with Pacmeier rubber grip. The only thing I found that out penetrated that load was 320 gr Penetrators from the 454. Not much fun to shoot. But probably more effective on the animals that I was packin a gun for. I don't notice a lot difference between the 44 mag and 45 Colt when both are pushing a 300 gr boolit @ 1200 fps. Tho the 44 is a bit noisier. 240 gr bullets @ 1400 + fps from the 44 mag, no thanks , don't like the recoil or muzzle blast. Much less pleasant than the 300s @ 1200 fps. At least to me. And a 45 Colt 360 gr boolit @ 1150 ish fps is not a hard load to handle at all. But with myself it was a case of filling a need . I've wondered if Dick Casul had pursued a heavy weight bullet at a strong velocity. Say a 400 gr @ 1300 fps instead of a 240 gr @ 2000 fps . If hunting handguns wouldn't have been better off ?
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Post by jfs on Apr 9, 2019 22:11:30 GMT -5
That Buffalo Bore heavy 44 Mag ammo with a 340gr LFN at a listed 1425fps is some potent medicine... My Redhawk was loaded with the ammo for my belt gun on a Alaskan black bear hunt...
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Post by CraigC on Apr 14, 2019 11:40:41 GMT -5
Is there any real difference between the two rounds on large game? Nope. They both sling the same weight bullets within 100fps of each other. The bullet diameter difference is 0.022" but very often the difference in meplat diameter of commercial cast bullets is much less, if at all. The .44 is a little better penetrator but the .45 is the more fashionable choice. No critter will ever know the difference.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 14, 2019 12:47:55 GMT -5
I got really hung up on meplat diameter when I got my 1st box of BB 340 gr +P+ 44 mag ammo. The LFN boolits had a wider meplat than the 325 gr +P 45 Colt BB ammo. And it had a higher velocity. However, since Max's findings with recovered bullets from his Bovine Bashing . I've come to understand that cast boolits, even good tough ones will often mushroom or at least the nose of the boolit will flatten some. The caliber probably has more to do with the end result of the boolits. Not that that beats personal accuracy, as that is the single most important issue. Followed by bullet weight, shape and velocity. Different people shoot different guns better than others. Some are great with single actions , some with double.
For me, it's a balancing act of a bunch of different factors.
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Post by CraigC on Apr 14, 2019 13:14:08 GMT -5
It's the meplat that creates the wound channel, not the overall bullet diameter. So it is the more important dimension. I think we've all labored under the impression that hardcast bullets would do their thing without enough deformation to matter. As we shoot bigger and bigger critters with them, their limitations become more and more apparent. Not that they are not capable, because they certainly are but they do have limitations. They also 'need' to be heavier to do the same job. The monolithic solids are just the next evolutionary step in handgun bullet performance but really only applicable to large, tough game. There are some really interesting things going on with the new Lehigh solid copper WFN's. Bullet mass seems to also be less important than we originally thought. At least when it comes to bullets that do not deform. It's still tough to beat a good, heavy hardcast bullet with a broad meplat 99% of the time. I just don't think there's enough functional difference between the .44Mag and .45Colt to argue about.
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Post by bula on Apr 16, 2019 8:30:48 GMT -5
CraigC, how were those monometals in the pic, stopped ?
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Post by CraigC on Apr 16, 2019 11:20:55 GMT -5
By the hide on the other side. A handful exited. I think the one on the far right was dug out of the ground.
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Post by bula on Apr 16, 2019 11:25:39 GMT -5
Thank You.
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