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Post by silcott on Mar 17, 2019 10:06:28 GMT -5
Has anyone tried a caliber conversion on a S&W X frame yet? Is the cylinder O.A.L. long enough for a super mag cartridge? Just something that I've been wondering.
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Post by potatojudge on Mar 17, 2019 12:01:14 GMT -5
Are you thinking 10 shot 357 Max?
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Post by win1894s on Mar 17, 2019 12:07:07 GMT -5
I would think 500 s&w would be enough.
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Post by silcott on Mar 17, 2019 12:08:39 GMT -5
Lol. I was actually thinking 357max with spitzer bullets.
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Post by matt56 on Mar 17, 2019 12:47:06 GMT -5
You want me to check the OAL of a 357 max loaded with a 200gr Hornady interlock vs a S&W 500 mag cylinder?
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Post by matt56 on Mar 17, 2019 13:06:03 GMT -5
Phew what I wouldn't do to have an X frame chambered to shoot some of these babies. They absolutely rock out of a contender barrel. The problem with the x-frame is the 2 piece barrel, you would almost have to design a separate 2 piece barrel system just like the Dan Wesson's. At that point why not just buy a Dan Wesson? Everything X frame is big bore so to go smaller would mean all new machining. Actually maybe a BFR would be a better platform  |
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Post by silcott on Mar 17, 2019 15:06:05 GMT -5
How do you like the 200gr interlock? I've been using 180gr. TTSX out of my 357max contender. It has a 18" MGM barrel chambered by Bellm. It'll shoot the TTSX bullets inside 1/2" @100yds. just under 2200fps using a stiff load of H110. That combination has taken 7 deer over the past two years.
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Post by matt56 on Mar 17, 2019 16:33:37 GMT -5
The 200gr Interlock is a hammer. I ordered 1000 of them when midway had them on clearance last year for $23/100. It's a huge step up from a pistol bullet when shooting out of a max. I do not know what they chrono at but imagine 27.0gr of Accurate 1680 behind them.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Mar 18, 2019 6:57:32 GMT -5
messing with the Dan Wesson style barrel & shroud isn't too terrible... I grafted a Dan Wesson Barrel shroud, & a custom 1 in 9" twist barrel onto this Raging Hornet... Speaking of which, you may want to use a faster twist barrel for those longer bullets???  but using the Dan Wesson as a base likely doesn't have a long enough cylinder... I don't think it's as long as an X Frame... but I could measure the cylinder on my Dan Wesson 357 Max if you would like...  |
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 18, 2019 9:45:30 GMT -5
silcott.... the S&W X-frame cylinder should be plenty long enough to chamber Maximums loaded with rifle bullets.
The Hornady .358 200 grain Spire Point was very accurate from the original Dan Wesson Arms Model 40 Super Mag .357 Maximum. The M40 first shipped with two 1:14” twist 8” barrels. The Hornady 200 Spire Point arrived at the ram----219 yards----traveling 100 fps faster than the Hornady .358 200 Round Nose. The 1:14 twist didn’t last long before DWA shipped the M40 with two 1:16 twist barrels. The 1:16 handled the 200 round nose perfectly well, but failed to hold acuracy with the Spire 200 Point.
Haven’t spoken with Eric King in a while. King, a champion and IHMSA All-American, shot 500 meter silhouette with a Sig Himmelmann Seville in .375 Super Mag. To fit the Seville cylinder window----made for Maximums----King cut 7 grains of nose off the Nosler .375 260 Partition. Eric King found the .357 Maximum to lack knockdown on the 55-pound ram @ 500 meters (547 yards). Thus, his selection of .375 Super Mag. Eventually the Seville frame broke in half, something I’ve never heard of with a Ruger.
Threads such as this are good as inspiration to speak with individuals I tend to lose touch with. To have a jawbone with a sharpshooter stimulates circulation and adds to our body of knowledge.
The S&W X-frame and the BFR “Long Cylinder” have the length to accommodate beastly revolver chambering. If the bulge of your wallet twists your back out of shape, customizing the X-frame will thin it faster than modifying a BFR. Simultaneous extraction add big cost. A 2-piece barrel jumps cost more, to further reduce wallet-bulge. Were I to get into this long range cartridge caper with the X-frame, my first stop would be a Handgun Silhouette firing line with the .460 S&W Magnum. Beaucoup elbow padding----and shoulder blade padding, too----for the reclining Creedmoor or Dead Frog positions (we are talking MARKSMANSHIP and Iron Sights, aren’t we?).
For a given investment, the BFR Long Cylinder facilitates more experiment. Using the S&W X-frame, an efficient option suggests Dan Wesson’s barrel & shroud system.
David Bradshaw
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Post by silcott on Mar 19, 2019 14:47:31 GMT -5
The reason for wanting to use a X frame, is because there is a plentiful supply of them. As far as cost to build one, I would be doing all of the work myself.
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 20, 2019 8:35:20 GMT -5
The reason for wanting to use a X frame, is because there is a plentiful supply of them. As far as cost to build one, I would be doing all of the work myself. ***** Have at it. Were I to experiment with the S&W X-frame, “What's its PURPOSE?" would be the first question to ask and answer. If the challenge was to play the rifle silhouette game with a revolver, where the ram line is at 500 meters (547 yards), and the bullet must topple the 3/8” T-1 steel 55-pound ram, I’d look the .375 Super Mag with rifle bullets. I might take another look at the .357 Maximum with 200 or 225 grain rifle bullets in the long X-frame cylinder. However, the least expensive and labor-intensive way to proceed would start with the .460 S&W Mag with a bullet of the highest ballistic coefficient to fit the cylinder. It might turn out that a POWDER COAT GAS CHECK bullet would handle the boiler room & velocity required to offset the greater trajectory of the large bore. Remember, trajectory at long range shrinks the 12-inch back-to-belly measurement. Long range may not be your object. Whatever mission, I would seek perspective from Jack Huntington, John Linebaugh, and IHMSA All-American Eric King. In company of John Linebaugh and knife maker Jerry Halfrich, I fired a few rounds at rams at 500 meters in New Braunfels, Texas with a Linebaugh revolver, a Ruger Vaquero .500 Linebaugh, 4-5/8-inch barrel, with 420 grain LFN. A .357 Maximum could be 6-shot. Although you would have a hard time getting into trouble with a 6-shot cylinder, five shots would be my choice in .375 Super Mag. The S&W is a SIDEPLATE gun, without the stress distribution symmetry of the Ruger Redhawk/Super Redhawk. Nevertheless, I wouldn’t anticipate trouble from the massive X-frame in .357 and .375. Another cartridge might be the .414 Super Mag with .400 rifle bullets. Between Huntington, Linebaught, and Hamilton Bowen, I would expect a perspective which hasn’t made it to the Big Screen. Barrel* Revert to Dan Wesson’s adjustable barrel & shroud system. Muzzle nut should be easily adjusted with a wrench----at least until finished gun is sorted. * A faster twist for rifle bullets. * Flat base bullet much less sensitive than a boattail to launch conditions. David Bradshaw |
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Post by saleen322 on Apr 4, 2019 19:29:22 GMT -5
...Were I to get into this long range cartridge caper with the X-frame, my first stop would be a Handgun Silhouette firing line with the .460 S&W Magnum. Beaucoup elbow padding----and shoulder blade padding, too----for the reclining Creedmoor or Dead Frog positions (we are talking MARKSMANSHIP and Iron Sights, aren’t we?)... True. Having Dan Wessons in 357 SM and 375 SM I believe they are practical answers to anything you want to do in those calibers and trying to convert a X-frame to shoot those rounds would not be cost effective--at all. Our 460 S&W X-frame will shoot honest sub 4" 5-shot groups @ 200 meters with a good load and you could spend many times the cost of a new X-frame on a custom revolver and not get better (or even the same) level of accuracy. I have never shot the X-frame Creedmore but that sounds like an interesting afternoon project.  |
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