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Post by whitworth on Feb 22, 2019 10:40:40 GMT -5
In looking at several pictures of the BFR's it looks like some of the guns had the wide hammer spur like the Super Blackhawk. Now it looks like they are all the straight width of the hammer blank. Why did they change them? I always liked the wide hammer spur on my Super, It affords a very positive cocking surface. I also see that BFR is now offering the .500 Linebaugh as a standard chambering as of January. As the selection of cast bullets grows (Montana Bullets has more all the time) and standard dies are becoming available this caliber intrigues me. The .500 JRH and the .500 Linebaugh both seem very close in ballistics. Does anyone have any hard core feelings toward one or the other? From the outset, the .500 Linebaugh, for lack of a better description, has been a more "easy going" cartridge and folks tend to load it to much lower pressure levels than the .500 JRH. Typically the .500 JRH is loaded in the high-40s to low-50s on the maximum side versus the mid-30s for the Linebaugh. I have both but prefer the JRH for hunting big game where I tend to push it hard with correspondingly tough bullets.
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Post by rug480 on Feb 23, 2019 10:26:46 GMT -5
Whit, if I remember correctly someone was pushing the JRH with a 440gr at 1600fps+? Not that I’d try it.. was that a proof load or just seeing what the bfr can take?
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Post by whitworth on Feb 23, 2019 11:26:54 GMT -5
Whit, if I remember correctly someone was pushing the JRH with a 440gr at 1600fps+? Not that I’d try it.. was that a proof load or just seeing what the bfr can take? It was an upper limit load test. The revolver survived unscathed, but the shooter complained rather loudly. :-)
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Post by firedude on Feb 23, 2019 14:36:46 GMT -5
Whit, if I remember correctly someone was pushing the JRH with a 440gr at 1600fps+? Not that I’d try it.. was that a proof load or just seeing what the bfr can take? It was an upper limit load test. The revolver survived unscathed, but the shooter complained rather loudly. :-) I bet. 440gr at 1350fps is all I want and not to many at a time.
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Post by Alaskan454 on Feb 23, 2019 18:36:16 GMT -5
Not sure I'd want to pull the trigger on a 440 gr moving that fast! Once they get above 350gr I tend to prefer them at reasonable velocities. Usually 1,300 fps is my cap. In light weight guns 1,100 fps is more likely.
Whitworth - do you feel the 500L or JRH need to be run at high speed on game? I could have sworn I'd seen some large critters dropped with ~1,100 fps loads in both calibers.
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 23, 2019 19:31:54 GMT -5
Not sure I'd want to pull the trigger on a 440 gr moving that fast! Once they get above 350gr I tend to prefer them at reasonable velocities. Usually 1,300 fps is my cap. In light weight guns 1,100 fps is more likely. Whitworth - do you feel the 500L or JRH need to be run at high speed on game? I could have sworn I'd seen some large critters dropped with ~1,100 fps loads in both calibers. ***** I won’t step on Max’s toes; he can handle the velocity question on his own experience. Back down to Earth, where a game animal does not cast the shadow of a battleship, laws of energy and momentum refuse to die. From an aluminum .44 Magnum to a 3-1/2 pound steel .500 hip howitzer, some folks propose that mass + momentum displace velocity. Yet, persons who engage powerful animals seem unwilling to do so without a dose of speed. David Bradshaw
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Post by 500fksjr on Feb 23, 2019 20:02:11 GMT -5
Not sure I'd want to pull the trigger on a 440 gr moving that fast! Once they get above 350gr I tend to prefer them at reasonable velocities. Usually 1,300 fps is my cap. In light weight guns 1,100 fps is more likely. Whitworth - do you feel the 500L or JRH need to be run at high speed on game? I could have sworn I'd seen some large critters dropped with ~1,100 fps loads in both calibers. ***** I won’t step on Max’s toes; he can handle the velocity question on his own experience. Back down to Earth, where a game animal does not cast the shadow of a battleship, laws of energy and momentum refuse to die. From an aluminum .44 Magnum to a 3-1/2 pound steel .500 hip howitzer, some folks propose that mass + momentum displace velocity. Yet, persons who engage powerful animals seem unwilling to do so without a dose of speed. David Bradshaw Mr.Bradshaw well said...if we look at the Buffalo Hunters Big an Slow worked well! so my experience an my 2 cents ...
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Post by whitworth on Feb 23, 2019 20:05:47 GMT -5
Not sure I'd want to pull the trigger on a 440 gr moving that fast! Once they get above 350gr I tend to prefer them at reasonable velocities. Usually 1,300 fps is my cap. In light weight guns 1,100 fps is more likely. Whitworth - do you feel the 500L or JRH need to be run at high speed on game? I could have sworn I'd seen some large critters dropped with ~1,100 fps loads in both calibers. As long as your bullet is up to the task, velocity will produce more damage. If using hardcast bullets, limiting the velocity preserves the nose to a greater extent, so it’s beneficial not to run them hard. However, if you are using Punch bullets or a monolithic solid of some sort, you can push them hard to your benefit. When the game gets big, the more the merrier. Sorry for the oversimplification! Also, I don’t want to prolong death, and don’t just want to drill a hole I want maximum damage.
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Post by Alaskan454 on Feb 23, 2019 20:30:18 GMT -5
Not sure I'd want to pull the trigger on a 440 gr moving that fast! Once they get above 350gr I tend to prefer them at reasonable velocities. Usually 1,300 fps is my cap. In light weight guns 1,100 fps is more likely. Whitworth - do you feel the 500L or JRH need to be run at high speed on game? I could have sworn I'd seen some large critters dropped with ~1,100 fps loads in both calibers. As long as your bullet is up to the task, velocity will produce more damage. If using hardcast bullets, limiting the velocity preserves the nose to a greater extent, so it’s beneficial not to run them hard. However, if you are using Punch bullets or a monolithic solid of some sort, you can push them hard to your benefit. When the game gets big, the more the merrier. Sorry for the oversimplification! Also, I don’t want to prolong death, and don’t just want to drill a hole I want maximum damage. That makes sense to me. I'm not a hunter but would bring the most horsepower I could manage if staring down a dangerous game animal.
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Post by tradmark on Feb 23, 2019 20:52:29 GMT -5
Not sure I'd want to pull the trigger on a 440 gr moving that fast! Once they get above 350gr I tend to prefer them at reasonable velocities. Usually 1,300 fps is my cap. In light weight guns 1,100 fps is more likely. Whitworth - do you feel the 500L or JRH need to be run at high speed on game? I could have sworn I'd seen some large critters dropped with ~1,100 fps loads in both calibers. As long as your bullet is up to the task, velocity will produce more damage. If using hardcast bullets, limiting the velocity preserves the nose to a greater extent, so it’s beneficial not to run them hard. However, if you are using Punch bullets or a monolithic solid of some sort, you can push them hard to your benefit. When the game gets big, the more the merrier. Sorry for the oversimplification! Also, I don’t want to prolong death, and don’t just want to drill a hole I want maximum damage. Agreed! Faster they go the bigger the wound channel. The buffalo hunters were known for alot of things. Close quick kills wasnt one of those things. Things just die faster when they go faster as long as the bullet is up to the task. The 500 jrh is best designed 50 cal imho
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Post by Alaskan454 on Feb 23, 2019 23:09:19 GMT -5
I would agree with you on that front. My first custom was chambered in 500 JRH and it's still my favorite. Plan to shoot it next weekend actually.
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Post by boomer on Feb 24, 2019 8:50:41 GMT -5
For those who have bought the precision shop guns, do you feel that this was worth the extra money or do you think the standard guns shoot just as well?
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Post by seminolewind on Feb 24, 2019 9:38:09 GMT -5
For those who have bought the precision shop guns, do you feel that this was worth the extra money or do you think the standard guns shoot just as well? Boomer, I have a standard production BFR Bisley in .454, and I wish I had put in the extra money and time for a precision shop gun. My gun is closer to a Ruger in fit, finish and performance than to a Freedom Arms, which precision shop guns are touted to be. I have a couple of FA and my production BFR initially was not comparable. I had some early bugs to work out with the BFR trigger, rough action and crooked front sight. Nothing I wouldn't expect with a Ruger, but not with a precision shop gun. But a year after purchase and some massaging, the BFR performs and handles as good as any gun I have.
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Post by whitworth on Feb 24, 2019 10:58:58 GMT -5
All of my regular production guns from them have been really good out of the box. The Precision Center guns are just that much better. That’s been my experience.
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Post by firedude on Feb 24, 2019 11:19:31 GMT -5
I have three Precision Center guns and one on the way. They are very tight which is what I want. Very tight B/C gaps, no end shake, very nice triggers, grips fit very well and very accurate. I feel the Precision Center guns are well worth the extra paid. I also have one production gun. It is very accurate as well. It is also much tighter than any of my rugers out of the box. It did go back for a canted front sight. Customer service was outstanding and I had it back in just over a week. All of my BFR's have some sharp edges and corners that I smooth. This does not bother me. I like doing it.
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