Ruger PC 40, or a pistol caliber carbine, always wanted one

[magnumwheelman]

I've never bought into the 40 S&W cartridge, probably the reason I never did get to try out a PC-40... anyone ever spent much time with one of these??? in handguns I went on to 10mm... would love to have something similar to the PC-40 but in 10mm

does the carbine length barrel get the 40 S&W into or beyond the 10mm range??? I still find myself looking at them when I find one...

[magnumwheelman]

maybe anyone would like to discuss pistol caliber carbines of the semi auto variety??? just spent the last couple hours going over 45 ACP carbines... thinking they might make more sense with a suppressor, than a 40, or a 9... there are quite a few, ranging from the Beretta, to the JRC's, TNW Aero, & Thureon Defense ( just a couple I spent time looking at... I have a buddy that has a High Point... seems to work OK for him, but seems disposable, if something goes wrong... also a couple H&K USC's out there...

I'm not thinking I want a 9mm... would prefer to get something that runs a heavier bullet, at a slower pace...I would however look at an AR in 10mm if there is a good one out there at reasonable prices... not wanting to spend a bunch of money on a range toy, but since it could double as a Home defense carbine, I don't want something that's too picky on ammo, or tough to get to run right...

[squawberryman]

Kriss Vector. I'm not sure why I like these overly klunky looking things but I do.

www.gunbroker.com/item/790378839

The TNW you noted is high on the "lusting for" list

[coldtriggerfinger]

I think a PC40 would be a real good home defense carbine.
Its kinda like a modernized 30 Carbine. Basic idea anyway.
I would think the extra barrel length would boost velocity.

[Rimfire69]

MWM, you made mention of the Highpoint, it’s a little ugly, and a little heavy, and appears to a disposable as you put it. Don’t underestimate it till you have a chance to try one out. I bought a used one this summer on an impulse buy, got it for next to nothing and a zip lock bag full of mags ( and there 9 shot, not 10 ) cheaper than I’ve ever bought mags before. We have yet to have a malfunction with it, it eats any variety of ammo with any bullet nose profile like candy. This thing has functioned perfectly so far, can’t say that about every auto loader I’ve tried out.

[bula]

I have a Sub-2000 folding 40cal here. Uses extended Glock type mags. Folds up nicely. Ergonomics to shoot it, not so nice. A newer updated version is said to be an improvement. I've not shot it enough to have solid opinion, but no failures thru 3-4 mags worth. 

[akray]

Don't overlook the Marlin Camp Carbine in 45 ACP.

[Rimfire69]

The marlin has been a dream gun for many years, but haven’t heard all great things about them. I have handled a couple , but never shot one, would love an opportunity to wring one out for a weekend. Has anyone here used them? Are they as perfinicky as I’ve heard ?

[magnumwheelman]

my biggest issue with the 45 Marlin, is the 7 round magazines... while it would be a great companion rifle for the 1911 ( I think they share the same mags ) 7 rounds in this kind of rifle is the lowest capacity... the guns that can use the 13 round Glock mags interest me more...

Though I will admit that I like a wood stocked gun better ( like most of the Marlins come )... I may just have to get used to the Ar type adjustable stocks found on most of the others...

BTW... RF69... my buddy loves his High Points... he has a 45 Handgun, he calls the "sledge hammer" not because it's a 45, but because the gun is so big, clunky, & heavy... he has one of the carbines be bought, because he loves that hand gun, & has been happy with it so far... I have another friend though, that had one of their handguns, & it fell off his dresser, & broke... to the point, it was easier to replace it, rather than repair it ( why I call them disposable guns )

[Rimfire69]

Heavy indeed, our highpoint carbine with cheap red dot and full mag breaks 8 lbs.

[magnumwheelman]

I'm still looking at these pistol caliber carbines... I'm trying to decide what I buy myself for Christmas this year... after looking over everything out there, I'm thinking a 45 ACP carbine... The Just Right Carbine, in the trimmer takedown model... in black... or maybe the Nickel "marine version"... they use 13 round Glock mags, & uses AR trigger group, stocks, grips, & forends... but the receiver is a straight blow back design, & has a pistol caliber length bolt & ejector port... they are switchable from right hand to left hand on both controls, & ejection ( though I'm a "righty" so that doesn't matter to me, with only a possible later resale advantage ) they are reasonably priced... my other option for Christmas this year was a Henry 32 caliber ( I already have several pistol caliber lever action carbines )... but I'm thinking I'll hold off there, & see if the case colored version becomes available in the 327 model this year???

justrightcarbines.com/products/

if I like the 45, & it wrings out as a keeper... I'll definitely be taking a hard look at the 10mm for later in 2019 I'm thinking that a suppressed 45 would make an interesting range toy, & a viable home defense gun, if properly outfitted... the 10mm definitely interests me as a companion rifle to either my 10mm auto or revolver handguns...

[41freak]

Just my .02, blowback is fine for 9mm and 45acp BUT in my opinion I would not do a 10mm blowback. The issue with all blowback designs (except the cmmg guard radial blowback) is the bolts do not lock so to keep the system closed long enough you have to use heavy buffer springs and heavier bolts/buffers depending upon the design and platform. It is not uncommon to use 308 buffer springs and 12+ ounce buffers/bolt weights in a 9mm blowback, which equals unnecessary extra recoil. In 45acp the same is true if you run hot ammo. If you are into the AR15 platform there are several options. You can run all 3 rounds DI (gas operated) although the 9mm runs very dirty with factory ammo. (I have 2 DI 9mm's a 10.5" and a 5" both run great and since I reload for them I run cleaner burning powders and go 4-500 rounds between cleaning the bolt/carrier which takes a couple of minutes then it is back to blasting.) I also have several DI 45acp upper as well as a DI 10mm upper and both run 100% and recoil is nil even in full auto. For years I wanted a 10mm MP5 and never could find/afford one then I got the DI 10mm upper and have never looked back. Here is a pic of my 10mm SBR

[magnumwheelman]

I was also looking at these in 10mm... TNW Aero Survival Rifle... you don't happen to have any experience with them???

www.gunbroker.com/item/784934397


I don't have a particular aversion to the standard AR chassis... but prefer things sized correctly if possible... I can't remember the name of the company that builds reasonably priced bolt action hunting rifles but only offers a long action rifle... super smooth bolts, but a 30-06 or magnum length action for a 223 or 308 just seems goofy to me... kind of the same thing here, with a short action AR receiver & pistol caliber cartridges...

[41freak]

I do not have any experience with the TNW Aero guns, but they are standard blowback and as stated would not do a 10mm in blowback (just my .02) as for the lower being sized for pistol calibers there are several that take Glock mags and are almost exactly the same as the TNW lower. One of the things I mentioned above is the heavy buffer/spring and bolt carrier mass needed to keep the blowback closed, when going to DI, you use a standard carrier (.458 socom or 450 bushmaster) with standard carbine buffer and spring. I have run the 10mm to max psi and run it full auto and the recoil is next to nothing, it just vibrates in your hands. Also if by chance you want to run hot 10mm ammo you can swap in a heavy buffer and go to town, then when you want to shoot factory ammo switch back to the standard buffer. (I have only had to use the heavy buffer with loads that were WAY HOT and don't do it often. For 99.9% of factory ammo standard buffer is fine.)

[magnumwheelman]

I was on Gun Broker looking for something built like you are describing, & nothing is coming up... maybe my GB foo is poor today... the 10mm is 2 rifles back, so nothing important right away, but I'd like to see built options that function well... years ago, before there were pistol caliber sized receivers... the 10mm AR's were not getting very good reviews for reliability... admittedly, it's been 10 years or more, since I seriously researched a 10 mm carbine...