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Post by oddshooter on Oct 6, 2018 10:29:45 GMT -5
Hey Enablers,
I grew up shooting 32-20 from age 11 to 14 in a first gen Colt SAA and matching levergun. I didn't see the 32-20 for another 59 years.
I got hooked into the 32 crowd about 2 months ago by 2 Dogs 17 page thread. Within a few days Toroflow had a convertible Buckeye for sale and we made arrangements to meet up later. That is one fine gentleman.
My question: Recipes, velocity, and accuracy with these combos. 25 yards rested with 10 knot wind at 7000 feet elevation using iron sights, CCI small rifle primer, Lyman FCD crimp, 10 round groups with "called" flyers not counted
11.5 grains of 4227 GT 115 HP 1125fps 1.5" group
12 grains of 4227 GT 115 HP 1200fps 1.0" group
12.5 grains of 4227 GT 115 HP 1225fps 1.4" group mild
13 grains of 4227 GT 115 HP 1330fps 1.5" group medium no pressure signs
To me the velocity increases with the increased powder charges seems logical Is the velocity reasonably within expectations for those components? Is the velocity too much for that caliber in that gun? What velocity might start to wear on the gun badly?
Any comments on components used? crimp? Sixshot promised to make up some special PC heavier bullets for me and I am very anxious to see how those perform. My next task is to push the target to 100 yards with different recipes and ring some steel.
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Post by sheriff on Oct 6, 2018 10:49:17 GMT -5
Don't know what bullet Dick's fixing to send you, but I can tell you from experience that 11.0 - 13.0 grains of 4227 will push the 135 gr, gas checked 'Ferminator' down range between 13-1500fps and the Buckeye handles it easily. You do your part and that load will do its, laying the 100yd ram down PDQ.
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Post by oddshooter on Oct 7, 2018 10:28:06 GMT -5
Hey sheriff,
I think it may be the 135gr bullet Dick is sending. I read the reviews and I'm excited to put it through my testing.
We both used 11 to 13 gr of 4227. I used a 115gr bullet and got 1100fps to 1300fps. You used a 135gr and got 1300 to 1500.
The heavier bullet builds more pressure and therefore gets higher velocity. Your speed is a little more than I expected from the additional weight on the bullet, but is certainly within limits.
I'm guessing that makes my readings and outcomes within range. I always mark my estimates down when handloading. I want to know my guesstimates are logical for that powder weight, that weight bullet, that gun, and that day. My guesstimates were for about 125fps faster. That made me wonder about my crimp. Thanks much. That's what I was looking for.
It sounds like you have some experience with the Buckeye as well. Glad to hear it can handle the 1500fps without complaint.
and you nailed my goal. Knock down at 100 yards +. Thanks, Sheriff.
Prescut I'm wondering how many folks shoot the 32-20? No body I know.
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Post by taffin on Oct 7, 2018 11:08:39 GMT -5
Hey sheriff, I think it may be the 135gr bullet Dick is sending. I read the reviews and I'm excited to put it through my testing. We both used 11 to 13 gr of 4227. I used a 115gr bullet and got 1100fps to 1300fps. You used a 135gr and got 1300 to 1500. The heavier bullet builds more pressure and therefore gets higher velocity. Your speed is a little more than I expected from the additional weight on the bullet, but is certainly within limits. I'm guessing that makes my readings and outcomes within range. I always mark my estimates down when handloading. I want to know my guesstimates are logical for that powder weight, that weight bullet, that gun, and that day. My guesstimates were for about 125fps faster. That made me wonder about my crimp. Thanks much. That's what I was looking for. It sounds like you have some experience with the Buckeye as well. Glad to hear it can handle the 1500fps without complaint. and you nailed my goal. Knock down at 100 yards +. Thanks, Sheriff. Prescut I'm wondering how many folks shoot the 32-20? No body I know. BEEN SHOOTING IT SINCE THE LATE 1950s TWO COLTS SAAs, THREE UBERTIS, TWO FREEDOM ARMS, TWO DAN WESSONS, TWO SMITH & WESSONS, TWO COLT ARMY SPECIALS, ONE RUGER BLACKHAWK, ONE T/C, ONE MARLIN, ONE WINCHSTER. YES I LIKE IT.
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Post by jsh on Oct 7, 2018 11:57:52 GMT -5
Another 32-20 fan.
I sure can't top JT's list, but have one he didn't mention. It's a BF falling block, one of the early ones. One of my favorite IHMSA calibers and guns. I know little of the history of this particular gun, but it has an 8 3/4" barrel, suspect it may have been set up for NRA hunter pistol. It is rough exterior finish by most people's standards, but the innards are smooth as glass as is the bore.
I had always been interested in the 32-20 even as a kid. My first rig was a 30-20 TC barrel, .308 bore. I played with it alongside of a 30x221 aka 300 whisper. After a year of playing I liked the rim cartridge better and 221 brass was not easily found. In a MODERN platform there is not enough difference in performance to argue over with bullet weights from 100-220 grains. Treat the brass nice as you would Hornet brass and size to what the chamber tells you to and brass life is as good as any other.
IMO, if the 32-20 had been pushed more such as the 45-70 and 45 Colt with Ruger only type loads of various pressures, the 32 mag and 327 would never have been looked at.
I have not picked up a 32-20 lever gun as of yet. I still have thoughts of a 30-357 or variation of a 30-357 max in a lever gun.
The Buckeye is built like a tank, though I myself steer clear of slow powders. I prefer AA9 in a majority of my loads. Jeff
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Post by 45MAN on Oct 7, 2018 12:44:01 GMT -5
YOU CAN ADD ME TO THE 32-20 LOVER'S LIST, A BUCKEYE, COLT SAA CIRCA 1927, A COUPLE OF COLT POLICE POSITIVE SPECIALS, 3 S&W 4th CHANGE 1905's (FS M&P's) IN 4, 5 & 6 INCH BARREL LENGTHS, A COUPLE OF COLT ARMY SPECIALS, AND A BUNCH OF COLT OFFICIAL POLICE REVOLVERS. ONE OF MY MOST USED "PORCH GUNS" UP AT MY RANCH IS A 6 INCH COLT OP, EXCELLENT FOR DISPATCHING LITTLE CRITTERS.
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Post by sixshot on Oct 7, 2018 13:43:19 GMT -5
Oops, Oddshooter! Forgot I'm suppose to send you some bullets! I've been getting ready for my buddy Tank Hoover to show up so we can practice eating Mexican food, dutch oven taters, home made Cheese cake, my Cinnamon Rolls, biscuits & gravy & working in a little deer hunting! I'll have to get some knocked out for you, sorry again. My 32/20 shooting is through a new model Ruger 30 caliber carbine & it shoots them great. I use Redding 32/20 dies, size my cast bullets anywhere from .311" to .313" & the gun is a rabbit & rock chucks worst night mare with a 4X Leupld scope on top. Mostly I shoot a 116 gr HP gas checked bullet that shoots fast & flat from the 7 1/2" carbine barrel. When it hits a jack rabbit there's nothing to pick up but the ears!
Dick
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Post by oddshooter on Oct 9, 2018 9:23:12 GMT -5
No problema, Dick.
I'm pretty busy myself loading up a bunch of 45 colt right now. When a buddy goes out of his way and offers something nice, you don't ask him when. You're just grateful.
I also have to comment that you are always talking about food. I like that a lot. We must have similar tastes as everything you list makes me drool. Mexican food, dutch oven taters, home made Cheese cake, my Cinnamon Rolls, biscuits & gravy.......
You talked so much about the Huckleberries that I broke the budget and ordered 5 lbs worth overnight delivery on dry ice. It was a taste and memory treat. My lady and I spent our 20's in western Montana living in the woods and we picked a lot of huckleberries and got to know the bears.
What did you have to do to shoot the 32-20 in that 30 carbine? I have a 30 carbine revolver that might be a good candidate.
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Post by sheriff on Oct 9, 2018 14:37:41 GMT -5
oddshooter, while I won't pretend to answer for Dick, I also shoot .32-20's in my .30 carbine. Using Starline brass and resizing the .32's to .309 is all I do. It does have to be a 'New' model.
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Post by sal on Oct 10, 2018 13:36:07 GMT -5
To Rick. I' still waiting for my bullets also
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Post by sal on Oct 10, 2018 13:36:42 GMT -5
To Rick
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Post by sal on Oct 10, 2018 13:37:16 GMT -5
Dick
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Post by oddshooter on Oct 12, 2018 9:56:45 GMT -5
Sheriff,
Thanks for your comments on the 30 carbine. .309 diameter huh. That sounds like the T/C 32-20 if I recall correctly.
I think my new addiction, the 32-20, just took a new turn. I have held off on getting a 32-20 barrel for my T/C because of the "smaller" diameter used, .309. Now that I realize I can shoot the .309's in my 30 carbine as well, I'm ready to jump in.
Anybody know right off who carries a nice cast in .309? I think I'll try GT.
So between Dick and Sheriff, I have a new excitement for the 32-20 in .309, the 30 carbine, and the T/C. That makes me have one hell of a morning sitting here in my easy chair. BIG GRIN !!!
You guys are awesome.
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Post by oddshooter on Oct 12, 2018 10:00:37 GMT -5
oddshooter, while I won't pretend to answer for Dick, I also shoot .32-20's in my .30 carbine. Using Starline brass and resizing the .32's to .309 is all I do. It does have to be a 'New' model. Hey Sheriff, How come the "new" model only? I assume you are talking about Ruger. Is it size or specs that don't fit? Metallury? My 30 carbine is a Liberty. Prescut
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Post by sheriff on Oct 12, 2018 11:18:46 GMT -5
Cylinders are different on the old vs. the new. Your 'Liberty' should be ok if you want to try it. Be forewarned, when a .32-20 is shot in a .30 carbine cylinder it will lose the 'taper' and become a 'rimmed' .30 carbine. You can then use either .30 carbine dies or .32-20 dies. Some cases may have to trimmed a smidgin.
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