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Post by matt56 on Sept 15, 2018 15:15:34 GMT -5
The never ending hunt for nice revolvers continued today. This time I picked up a birthday gun (possibly my first) at a not so local gun store. It's a 686 no dash 4" that dates to 1986. The only thing that brought me to this store today was the fact that a guy I work with had a $600 gift card he was selling for $400. I guess his dad won it in a gun bash and had no desire to purchase anything gun related. This gun store routinely has older S&W's in the case so I took it off his hands. This store is where I got my 65-5 ladysmith pretty recently. I looked at a very clean model 27-2 8 3/8" S prefix that I would have snagged in a heartbeat except the price was high at $1000 and the forcing cone had a lot of erosion. The bluing was very nice but I couldn't look past the barrel damage. What a shame! Then the salesman pulled this out from the back. It had an ugly set of pachmayers on it but no rust under the grips. Knowing I had a beautiful set of targets that needed a home made it all that much easier.   |
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Post by mk70ss on Sept 15, 2018 15:24:17 GMT -5
Did you get it for just the $600 gift card? If so great deal considering the gun would have only cost you $400 out of pocket!!
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Post by tinkerpearce on Sept 15, 2018 15:47:26 GMT -5
Nice one!
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Post by matt56 on Sept 15, 2018 15:59:56 GMT -5
They wanted $650 for the gun so I still got out of there pretty cheap. I really don't see many 686s in this area for some reason and I've been itching for one lately. Took a family photo. I need to find a 2.5" soon. Top is a dash 4 and middle is a dash 3  |
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Post by boatswainsmate on Sept 15, 2018 18:35:15 GMT -5
Nice. I picked this 686-1 up at auction awhile back. I had to send it to Smith & Wesson for a recall.  |
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Post by matt56 on Sept 15, 2018 20:41:05 GMT -5
This 4” has the M stamp above the model number behind the yoke. That’s how you know if any particular no dash or dash 1 has had the recall performed. Supposedly primer flow into the firing pin hole can tie the cylinder up. The fix is to replace the hammer nose and bushing.
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Post by bushog on Sept 15, 2018 21:12:35 GMT -5
Did that recall apply to the 586s too?
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Post by matt56 on Sept 15, 2018 22:56:04 GMT -5
Yes, 686, 586, 681 and 581 were all affected in the no dash and dash 1 time period. I wouldn't worry much about the recall unless you actually experience the problem. It's a free trip to the factory though if you wish to have it performed.
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Post by dougader on Sept 16, 2018 1:11:50 GMT -5
Yes, it did/does happen with those 686, 586, 681 and 581 guns. S&W paid for my ER visit and, rumor has it, a Seattle PD officer's hospital bills over the issue.
BIL's 686 jammed up tight using Samson/IMI 158 grain jsp ammo. I was concentrating on keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, completely ignoring the barrel-to-cylinder gap, and when working on the action it finally let go, the gun went off and the pad of my left index finger was split open to the bone, bubbling like a little birdbath until the heat cauterized it... then the pain started.
That trip to the ER to get stitched up hurt like Haiti. That finger tip is still numb, LOL, and has a fat, jagged scar. A fella won't do that twice! Was reading Shooting Times and saw an ad placed by S&W about the recall. I called them, A Mr. Kelleher called back and they took care of the ER bill.
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Post by nockhunter on Sept 16, 2018 22:57:33 GMT -5
Yes, it did/does happen with those 686, 586, 681 and 581 guns. S&W paid for my ER visit and, rumor has it, a Seattle PD officer's hospital bills over the issue. BIL's 686 jammed up tight using Samson/IMI 158 grain jsp ammo. I was concentrating on keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, completely ignoring the barrel-to-cylinder gap, and when working on the action it finally let go, the gun went off and the pad of my left index finger was split open to the bone, bubbling like a little birdbath until the heat cauterized it... then the pain started. That trip to the ER to get stitched up hurt like Haiti. That finger tip is still numb, LOL, and has a fat, jagged scar. A fella won't do that twice! Was reading Shooting Times and saw an ad placed by S&W about the recall. I called them, A Mr. Kelleher called back and they took care of the ER bill. WOW that's CRAZY, I haven't heard of the recall. My favorite/first hand gun is a 4" S&W 586. I can't remember what dash it is, it's an older one for sure. Mike |
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 17, 2018 9:25:40 GMT -5
While BLANKING----primer flow into firing pin hole----is more prevalent with a HAMMER NOSE firing pin than with the frame-mounted FLOATING firing pin, blanking can happen whenever fit of firing pin to bushing is loose and chamber pressure is high. The old nose style firing pin is looser by design than a bushing-mounted pin. Blanking was a problem with the Model 19 before the L-frame Model 686 and 586 were developed to counteract the competition from the rugged Ruger Security Six.
Although equipped with the same hammer nose firing pin, the Model 29 .44 Mag and M-57 .41 Mag weren’t nearly as prone to blanking as the K-frame M-19 with hot .357s. Part of the problem with blanking in the Model 19 stemmed to the 1970’s vogue for backing off mainspring tension to light double action pull. A light primer strike invites blanking, along with misfires.
David Bradshaw
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Post by 45MAN on Sept 17, 2018 19:59:45 GMT -5
DAVID: I WAS EXPERIENCING SOME BLANKING WITH A FA 454 USING SOME HOT WINCHESTER 300 gr AMMO. JUST MY THOUGHT, BUT I FIGURED WINCHESTER PRIMERS ARE NOT AS HARD AS THE REM 7 1/2's FA RECOMMENDS. I CURED THE PROBLEM USING THE OLD 22 JET TRICK, DEGREASE THE CHAMBERS AND THE BRASS WITH LIGHTER FLUID, THUS ELIMINATING JUST ENUFF OF THE SETBACK SO THAT THE PRIMER WUDN'T FLOW INTO THE FIRING PIN HOLE.
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 18, 2018 3:10:56 GMT -5
DAVID: I WAS EXPERIENCING SOME BLANKING WITH A FA 454 USING SOME HOT WINCHESTER 300 gr AMMO. JUST MY THOUGHT, BUT I FIGURED WINCHESTER PRIMERS ARE NOT AS HARD AS THE REM 7 1/2's FA RECOMMENDS. I CURED THE PROBLEM USING THE OLD 22 JET TRICK, DEGREASE THE CHAMBERS AND THE BRASS WITH LIGHTER FLUID, THUS ELIMINATING JUST ENUFF OF THE SETBACK SO THAT THE PRIMER WUDN'T FLOW INTO THE FIRING PIN HOLE. ***** Make sure the MAINSPRING in your M83 hasn’t weakened. A light mainspring fails to hold the firing pin forward as combustion blasts through the FLASH HOLE, trying to blow out the primer. While we aim, squeeze, and try to follow through, there’s a lot going on in that little cannon. With the Rocks & Dynamite we were shooting in experimental Maximuns, even Remington Small Rifle primers BLANKED with the standard Blackhawk/SBH mainspring. Bill Ruger, Jr., brought out some heavier Old Army mainsprings, which stopped the blanking. David Bradshaw |
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Post by matt56 on Sept 18, 2018 19:29:14 GMT -5
The 4" no dash is a keeper. I got to shoot it today and I'm nothing but pleased. It shoots a perfect point of aim with the rear sight right down the middle.
Even checking the cylinder gap it is noticeably tighter than my dash 3 or dash 4. Both of those are around .008". This no dash is about .005". Rightfully so I experienced no spitting. I wish I could say that about all my revolvers.
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Post by matt56 on Sept 23, 2018 17:55:21 GMT -5
Go figure I get a call about another 686 4" on friday. This one is a dash 1 and in good shape besides the finish. Someone had it bead blasted probably to copy the look of a CS-1. The gun is in nice shape though and passed all the prechecks. I stuck it on layaway.
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