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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 3, 2018 13:31:23 GMT -5
It’s funny, other than the AK and 722, mentioned above, I have everyone of the other models,....😂.
Good point about the military guns being push fed,....although I’ve broken more extractors on AR15’s and AR10’s than any other guns, of course there are a few 10’s of thousands of rounds on them.
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Post by JM on Apr 3, 2018 16:25:12 GMT -5
Local shop has a Tikka in 6.5 Swede.
It's tormenting me!
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 3, 2018 18:13:55 GMT -5
It was just something I noticed and it surprised me. I'm kind of over the top on NON ROTATING EXTRACTORS AND FIXED EJECTORS. CRF is great as long as it's NRE +FE. Like a Glock ;-) . or a 98 Mauser ect. For some carts like the WSSMs. Push feed was much easier to accomplish than CRF.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 3, 2018 18:44:25 GMT -5
Local shop has a Tikka in 6.5 Swede. It's tormenting me! I have yet to find anyone that had a 6.5 Creedmoor, that didn't REALLY like it. The exception is the ones that try it but want more velocity. For what I do with my 6.5. I haven't needed any more velocity. And it just Swats caribou !! But just as importantly, with sptz bt solids, it doesn't blow the off side of a fox or lynx all over the countryside. Which for me equals =Perfection.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 3, 2018 19:47:01 GMT -5
Push feeds are more reliable than gun scribes have ever given them credit for. The push feed 700 was the basis of the USMC M40 rifle almost since introduced with no changes to the receiver or extractor. The 700 is the choice of more sniper units than any other rifle. Writers have written since dinosaurs roamed the earth that push actions are not suitable for dangerous game, but some how it doesn’t seem to matter that the M1, M14, M16, and AK47 which were designed for war are all push feed. I can appreciate a nice Mauser style control feed action and it’s function but I don’t get hung up on it. Since arguing was mentioned in the title of this thread. The model 700 is the military bolt action because of gubmint contracts. No other reason on earth. So and so's rich country club buddy made a deal and that's that. There ain't 1 thing superior about the model 700 action. The way they are kept working is thru the armory. 1 goes t.u. it gets turned in and the guy is handed a new or fixed one. And it just goes on and on . All the while the American public thinks , model 700 is THE GREATEST cause the Marines use it. The Marines use it because that's what they are allowed to purchase. If they wanted the best. They would be shooting the Mausingfield !
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Post by azshaun on Apr 3, 2018 20:12:34 GMT -5
Push feeds are more reliable than gun scribes have ever given them credit for. The push feed 700 was the basis of the USMC M40 rifle almost since introduced with no changes to the receiver or extractor. The 700 is the choice of more sniper units than any other rifle. Writers have written since dinosaurs roamed the earth that push actions are not suitable for dangerous game, but some how it doesn’t seem to matter that the M1, M14, M16, and AK47 which were designed for war are all push feed. I can appreciate a nice Mauser style control feed action and it’s function but I don’t get hung up on it. Since arguing was mentioned in the title of this thread. The model 700 is the military bolt action because of gubmint contracts. No other reason on earth. So and son's rich country club buddy made a deal and that's that. There ain't 1 thing superior about the model 700 action. The way they are kept working is thru the armory. 1 goes t.u. it gets turned in and the guy is handed a new or fixed one. And it just goes on and on . All the while the American public thinks , model 700 is THE GREATEST cause the Marines use it. The Marines use it because that's what they are allowed to purchase. If they wanted the best. They would be shooting the Mausingfield ! Well, I say the model 700 is the best because that was my dad's rifle and the one he gave me before he died. So, if it was good enough for him! It HAD to be the best.
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Post by 450ak on Apr 3, 2018 20:15:16 GMT -5
I guess I'd pack around my 450 Alaskan until I can't. It's a model 71 Winchester with a full magazine and really nice wood. The only thing better would be a 6.5 creedmoor lever action because all the cool folks say so........
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Post by sportster on Apr 3, 2018 21:02:30 GMT -5
I have a very nice CZ 527 varmint in 223. I like it a lot with it's double set trigger. If I had to go with one caliber to do it then I would choose the 243 Winchester in a CZ 557 Sporter. Light enough that it won't bother you at the end of the day and mag fed.
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 4, 2018 6:15:34 GMT -5
I do like my Czech rifles & handguns... and as long as I'm going there... so far, no love for the 8mm Mauser??? those will put the spank on anything at near magnum rifle levels... I have 2 - VZ-24's both chambered in 8mm Mauser... will be selling one, to add something between the bolt action carbine in 7.62 X 39, & the 8mm... thinking a 6.5
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 4, 2018 14:16:41 GMT -5
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Post by squigz on Apr 4, 2018 14:48:24 GMT -5
I do like my Czech rifles & handguns... and as long as I'm going there... so far, no love for the 8mm Mauser??? those will put the spank on anything at near magnum rifle levels... I have 2 - VZ-24's both chambered in 8mm Mauser... will be selling one, to add something between the bolt action carbine in 7.62 X 39, & the 8mm... thinking a 6.5 I wish they would come out with a mannlicher version of the 7.62x39, that would probably never leave my immediate reach.
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Post by Fowler on Apr 4, 2018 15:54:44 GMT -5
Push feeds are more reliable than gun scribes have ever given them credit for. The push feed 700 was the basis of the USMC M40 rifle almost since introduced with no changes to the receiver or extractor. The 700 is the choice of more sniper units than any other rifle. Writers have written since dinosaurs roamed the earth that push actions are not suitable for dangerous game, but some how it doesn’t seem to matter that the M1, M14, M16, and AK47 which were designed for war are all push feed. I can appreciate a nice Mauser style control feed action and it’s function but I don’t get hung up on it. Since arguing was mentioned in the title of this thread. The model 700 is the military bolt action because of gubmint contracts. No other reason on earth. So and so's rich country club buddy made a deal and that's that. There ain't 1 thing superior about the model 700 action. The way they are kept working is thru the armory. 1 goes t.u. it gets turned in and the guy is handed a new or fixed one. And it just goes on and on . All the while the American public thinks , model 700 is THE GREATEST cause the Marines use it. The Marines use it because that's what they are allowed to purchase. If they wanted the best. They would be shooting the Mausingfield ! Never forget the rifle a military man carries was supplied by the lowest bidder...
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 4, 2018 16:04:46 GMT -5
I have a CZ carbine in 7.62 X 39... & with Prvi reloadable ammo, it's everything a guy could want
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Post by whiterabbit on Apr 5, 2018 0:03:05 GMT -5
Well, I have an anti-gun wife and I HAVE to consider the idea of paring down all life to one rifle (and one shotgun).
If we consider the perfect rifle may not be perfect at anything but has to be suitable for EVERYTHING, how does that change your thinking?
I have to honestly consider a 375 H&H magnum, in a controlled round feed fine action, with a fine wood stock finished only in a hand rubbed oil finish.
Such a rifle:
1. Can be handloaded to 38-55 levels 2. Can shoot cast bullets or banded solids 3. Maybe overkill for bunnies, but fine for CXP2 up to Elephant. 4. Instills confidence that what gets shot, dies. 5. Can be used for target shooting. 6. Can be shot prone at fairly long ranges. 7. Can be shot cheaply via handloads (see #2, cast bullets) 8. Has elegance and pedigree via CRF and wood stock. 9. Can be easily repaired of dings and scratches at home due to the simple stock finish. 10. Can be set up with safari-type irons, then given a good base and QD scopes mounted for specific purposes (target, hunting, DG, etc) 11. Not TOO obviously overkill for any purpose, especially when loaded way up or way down.
I'm not sure any other choice can check the box on every category. Nearly any rifle can do one or two things better, but at the cost of not being able to do something else at all. If I had to sell everything (or lose everything) and replace with one very, very nice (but only one) rifle, I would be hard pressed not to have a fine 375H&H custom built.
Of course if we strike DG off the list the possibilities open up bigly.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Apr 5, 2018 1:56:20 GMT -5
Whiterabbit has gone the long way around to say "308 !"
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