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Post by 2 Dogs on Apr 1, 2018 10:58:50 GMT -5
Wow, the change in times is so apparent. 3 pages long, and not 1 mention of the 30-06. I have no experience to add value, but surprised that NO one suggests the 30-06. I know, I know, its boring... the 308 can do anything the 30-06 can and shorter action... Anyway, just shows just how much times have changed I guess. I choose to be different. My caliber is the 30-06 in both rifles I own. Rem 700 BDL, and Browning BLR. I always understood there wasn't much I couldn't accomplish with it. Who knew? . ;-D I have been wanting to get back to this excellent point/post. Make no mistake, the Ought Six is the definitive gold standard. Always has been and always will be. Growing up everybody shot a .257 Roberts except my big brother and my nephew who was in age between me and my big brother also shot a 30-06. Later I had to be different and shot a 7mm Mag. Truth be told, they seemed to kill about the same. The 06' did seem to make a bigger entry and exit hole... Later I was shooting a lot of .308 Winchester Match and for me it was quite a bit less powerful than the '06. I even had a 30-06 AI in a McMillan A-3 with a heavy Hart barrel and a muzzle brake that was blisteringly accurate. Still, to me it was more about the size of the action. I recognized the 06 handled heavy bullets far better than the .308, but I also had a buddy who had a 300 WM that for me was love at first sight. It didn't take me long to realize whatever the '06 could do the 300 WM did better, including handling the bigger bullets. My work with it has proven it to be even more versatile than the '06 in my eyes as well. I can drive a 150 at 3400 fps from a 26" barrel for a coyote destroyer without peer. My 165 grain load does 3175 and just upends these puny S. Texas deer. More, my latest 300 WM has been cut back to 22" and I have installed a Tubb adjustable brake on the thing. So far I have only worked with 190 grain Match ammo with the thing but it clobbers big hogs for sure and for certain. Plus, there are now some Berger 230 grain bullets that evidently put the 300 WM up into 338 Lapua territory. Im not sure I will bother with those since I have a 338 Lapua but still. None of this is intended to bash the '06 because I guarantee you if the parts and opportunity present itself I will damn sure rebuild myself a 30-06 AI just because....
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 1, 2018 12:22:57 GMT -5
CTF,...I actually picked up the Ruger to give to my fiancé, she is reluctant to use her 600, 350rm because of its pristine condition and value. So I figured the 77 could take the abuse of heat, sweat, and humidity that is so prevalent here in Texas. But I’ll get a chance to shoot it during load development,...hahaha. I doubt she’ll ever get rid of it!!!.....if she does I get first right of refusal. Trapr It definitely will do that. I had the Hawkeye SS in 2 short action "magnum" carts when I lived in Hoonah. 1 was a 300 Short RUM and the other the 350. I got the 300 for shooting deer on the beach after the bears went to bed in the fall. Even with my great dislike for all things 30 caliber . I liked it and the cart . But, a Rem 700 SS in 338 RUM became available so the 300 got traded for it. Then a year or 2 later a guy I worked with just HAD to have the 338 RUM so I sold it to him. By then the 375 Ruger Alaskan rifle was available which , in all reality. Is my idea of a perfect deer rifle for the ABCs. Admiralty, Baranof , Chichagof. So far I've had 3 of them. Liked every one of them. But, I get these mental gymnastics going on in my head because of the 9.3×64 Brenneke I had built in 07. So every one of my 375 Ruger Alaskans has gone down the road. If I lived on the coast, I would get a Guide Gun/Rifle and shoot the 250 gr TTSX BT @ 2800 fps from it and stop sending them down the road.
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 1, 2018 13:07:33 GMT -5
Others have mentioned, and I have also used, the .250 Savage, the .350 Rem. Mag. and the .338 Win. Mag. I liked all of them; they all performed perfectly for me. I'm somewhat surprised that no one has mentioned the .375 H&H, the smoothest feeding, be-all, kill-em-all round ever devised, particularly in a well bedded stainless / synthetic Mdl.70! The Three and Six bits . Yup, hard to beat it. I've had 6 of them at last count. If I hadn't discovered heavy bullets in the 338 Win I would have no doubt had a number of 375 H&Hs more than I have had. . But a 275 gr Kodiak Bonded Core bullet @ 2640 fps from a stainless Ruger M77 Mk2 RSP with a canoe paddle stock . IMHO filled the need even better. For my use as a deer rifle that would knock a bear down . It was easy to shoot and not as expensive to shoot ALOT as the 375. But mostly, the 338 was available in the stainless Ruger M77 Mk2. The single toughest, most corrosion resistant, factory rifle with good accuracy there was. With the 300 gr Barnes Original 49k jacketed RNSN at an erratic 2500 fps It was told to me, to work as well on brown bear as the 375. I've never shot a bear with the 338, so I can't say for myself. And it wasn't hard on deer meat.I've killed lots of deer with the 338. And run a number of brown bear on foot with the rifle And load. Hid behind it more than a dozen times in bluff charge situations. Didn't have too many qualms about its ability to keep me from getting bloody. And, oddly enough. Very accurate ! The load I built commonly shot 3 shots into 5/8" at 200 meters. " the far back stop at the Sitka rifle range". I wish I'de have got a throating reamer for them when I got my first rifle in 338. Now I do need to get a throating reamer as my Kimber has a short throat that needs resolved. Sorry for rambling!
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Post by lscg on Apr 1, 2018 13:34:50 GMT -5
for Texas the 25-06 has never let me down. if I felt I needed something more then i'd move to my Mohawk 600 in 308.
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Post by bula on Apr 1, 2018 13:36:21 GMT -5
"Perfect Rifle", horrible in that it leads to think of ONE rifle. Bad thing even to me with one rifle !
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Post by bushog on Apr 1, 2018 13:44:43 GMT -5
More often than not I'll go to my .300 win with a 200gn accubond in my Blaser K95.
I've got 375s, 338s, 9.3s (including a 9.3x64) and you can say what you want about the .300 Win and that accubond but it's a killer.
I've killed moose to elk to oryx (which can be damned tough) to caribou and it's performed up to the level of my shooting every time.
Great at the longer distances that many who don't hunt out West just really don't understand.
I would not take it on a Brown bear hunt....well...maybe with a 200gn A-frame if I only had one rifle.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 1, 2018 21:06:01 GMT -5
Your variation of the Turkey, we actually do or did for 3 gun practice. We called it a Rifle Bounce, an ipsc steel target at 200, one round from all four positions starting with standing, then kneeling, sitting and prone, and back up through the positions to standing. It is a very good drill, and one we use in our classes as well.
Trapr
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Post by bushog on Apr 1, 2018 23:16:52 GMT -5
Others have mentioned, and I have also used, the .250 Savage, the .350 Rem. Mag. and the .338 Win. Mag. I liked all of them; they all performed perfectly for me. I'm somewhat surprised that no one has mentioned the .375 H&H, the smoothest feeding, be-all, kill-em-all round ever devised, particularly in a well bedded stainless / synthetic Mdl.70! The Three and Six bits . Yup, hard to beat it. I've had 6 of them at last count. If I hadn't discovered heavy bullets in the 338 Win I would have no doubt had a number of 375 H&Hs more than I have had. . But a 275 gr Kodiak Bonded Core bullet @ 2640 fps from a stainless Ruger M77 Mk2 RSP with a canoe paddle stock . IMHO filled the need even better. For my use as a deer rifle that would knock a bear down . It was easy to shoot and not as expensive to shoot ALOT as the 375. But mostly, the 338 was available in the stainless Ruger M77 Mk2. The single toughest, most corrosion resistant, factory rifle with good accuracy there was. With the 300 gr Barnes Original 49k jacketed RNSN at an erratic 2500 fps It was told to me, to work as well on brown bear as the 375. I've never shot a bear with the 338, so I can't say for myself. And it wasn't hard on deer meat.I've killed lots of deer with the 338. And run a number of brown bear on foot with the rifle And load. Hid behind it more than a dozen times in bluff charge situations. Didn't have too many qualms about its ability to keep me from getting bloody. And, oddly enough. Very accurate ! The load I built commonly shot 3 shots into 5/8" at 200 meters. " the far back stop at the Sitka rifle range". I wish I'de have got a throating reamer for them when I got my first rifle in 338. Now I do need to get a throating reamer as my Kimber has a short throat that needs resolved. Sorry for rambling! 3 shots into 5/8" at 200 meters is some darned impressive shooting as well as a good shootin rifle...... With a .338 that means the holes were all touching!
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 2, 2018 1:06:31 GMT -5
Yup, just a nice bug hole. And it wasn't flukey or a one time thing . That's just how well they shot. I wasn't overly impressed with 250 gr bullets in those Ruger 338s I could only get like 1 1/4" 3 shot groups at 200 meters. And that was with No fooling around with the brass. In point of fact, I've come to think a lot of gun writers are TERRIBLE shots . some of the groups they report. If I couldn't shoot better than that . I sure nuff wouldn't be writing magazine articles about my shooting. And I'm not a very good shot. I've got a couple friends that are really good rifle shots tho.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Apr 2, 2018 10:19:06 GMT -5
CTF, Long ago when I was a wee youngster, in my early teens. I wrote a letter to a gunwriter that lived in my home town, asking about what it took to become an outdoor writer, as I was aspiring to try out that career field. He wrote back, and I paraphrase,.....”get good grades in school, work on your hunting skills and shooting skills, and go out and enjoy the great outdoors. Most of the writers out there now can’t shoot or hunt to save thier lives, but they took courses in writing and boy can they write a story”. The man I wrote was Col. Charlie Askins, and his words still ring true today, or so seems. I’ve had the privilege of meeting a good many “writers” and noticed right off that they can’t carry on a decent conversation about guns or hunting, much less shoot well enough to impress anyone. But boy can they write a good story or make one up when they fail to perform.
Trapr
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Post by magnumwheelman on Apr 2, 2018 15:34:31 GMT -5
To go back to my bolt action rifle rack, many of the calibers being discussed here are represented there... 375 H&H & 338 Win Mag Browning Stainless Stalkers, 35 Whelen Remington 700, 100th anniversary of the 30-06 cartridge edition Remington 700... or that "famous" edition of the Winchester in 270... or my custom 25-06...
I'm also really fond of the 7 X 57 Mauser, & on the smaller side of that one, the 6.8 SPC custom Remington 700
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Post by coldtriggerfinger on Apr 3, 2018 3:06:32 GMT -5
One thing I have noticed with this thread. Very Big , obvious, or surprising. Is the number of dedicated single action handgun shooters that seem to prefer push feed , rotating extractor rifle actions. I'm actually amazed. I don't think I would be any more surprised if I found out that for rifles they used ARs and or AKs I figured there would be many more 94s, 71s, 86s, 336s, 99s . especially with the Flex Tip bullets. I am very surprised no one has mentioned something like a 94 or 336 in 7x30 Waters or 307 Winchester. Especially when the 250 Savage has been mentioned several times, no one brought up the 99 in 250/3000. It is in the same age category as the 722. CRF, NRE actions are mentioned by a few but overwhelmingly, push feed actions get put forth.
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Post by eskimo36 on Apr 3, 2018 4:06:00 GMT -5
Push feeds are more reliable than gun scribes have ever given them credit for. The push feed 700 was the basis of the USMC M40 rifle almost since introduced with no changes to the receiver or extractor. The 700 is the choice of more sniper units than any other rifle. Writers have written since dinosaurs roamed the earth that push actions are not suitable for dangerous game, but some how it doesn’t seem to matter that the M1, M14, M16, and AK47 which were designed for war are all push feed. I can appreciate a nice Mauser style control feed action and it’s function but I don’t get hung up on it.
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Post by flattopdan on Apr 3, 2018 4:06:12 GMT -5
That’s a nice rig, alukban. My buddies in Europe outfit thier rifles very much the same, fast 1x Optics for driven hunts and scopes for stalking and blinds. Trapr That is a very nice piece of kit! For me it’s my Ruger GSR in .308, I use a red dot most of time.
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Post by dougader on Apr 3, 2018 13:17:08 GMT -5
One thing I have noticed with this thread. Very Big , obvious, or surprising. Is the number of dedicated single action handgun shooters that seem to prefer push feed , rotating extractor rifle actions. I'm actually amazed. I don't think I would be any more surprised if I found out that for rifles they used ARs and or AKs I figured there would be many more 94s, 71s, 86s, 336s, 99s . especially with the Flex Tip bullets. I am very surprised no one has mentioned something like a 94 or 336 in 7x30 Waters or 307 Winchester. Especially when the 250 Savage has been mentioned several times, no one brought up the 99 in 250/3000. It is in the same age category as the 722. CRF, NRE actions are mentioned by a few but overwhelmingly, push feed actions get put forth. I do have a Savage 99 in 308 Winchester and it's a nice rifle, but the trigger is not as nice as I would like... the 700 Remington has a much better trigger and is as accurate, if not slightly more so.
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