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Post by magman on Dec 12, 2017 6:16:31 GMT -5
Nope.
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davep
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Post by davep on Dec 12, 2017 9:48:32 GMT -5
As pointed out on the Ruger forum I need to clarify something I posted that confused at least one person. The lacquer on the CCH frames is just meant to protect the finish, the CCH is "real" but the lacquer may be removed by some types of petroleum solvents and some care is required. I talked to Turnbull yesterday and pretty sure the man's name was Denny if anybody needs to verify this info. Sorry for any confusion. Dave
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Post by nolongcolt on Dec 12, 2017 12:25:21 GMT -5
Colt does the same thing. The finish makes it a little prettier and protects it. I found on my SAA that it started looking a little splotchy, so went after it with a light solvent and removed the rest of the lacquer. It looks fine now just not as shiny.
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davep
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Post by davep on Dec 18, 2017 12:13:31 GMT -5
Update: Took mine apart this weekend and installed the Power Custom hammer and trigger kit. First things...the cylinder throats measured with a ball mic are .452... call em plus/minus .0002 that's my repeat-ability window with this measurement method. BC gap is .0055 to .006 and the cylinder "end shake" is .002. Did not check barrel choke yet.
The cylinder bore for the base pin looks like a small rodent ate it's way through, pretty disgusting work. I've seen post hole diggers leave better wall finish. It's going to get a light honing and one of the aftermarket .001 over size base pin.
The power custom hammer was sold as a "blued" hammer, it's not, just plain ole industrial black oxide. Doesn't really matter to me as after I shoot it some more I'm sending it to Turnbull for the CCH to match the frame. The hammer and trigger got rid of the creep the stock trigger had. I clamped the gun ( gently with nylon blocks ) to my mill table and chucked a dowel in the spindle, used the DRO to measure trigger travel. The stock trigger broke between .115 up to .120 repeated several times. The Power custom ended up between .020 up to .023 again repeated several times. No trigger pull weight yet ( screwed up gauge). Timing with the Power custom hammer and stock pawl was ok on 3 of 6 chambers, instructions with trigger kit mentioned removing a bit off the second tooth of the pawl. I left it alone as it was ok on 3 chambers and worked the cylinder instead as that's where the inconsistency was. This would be a good mod for a "shooter", if you're collecting maybe no so much. With the half cock setup you will quickly develop a "turn ring" on that nice blued cylinder. Next up will be some hammer and trigger shims and trying a 19lb hammer spring. Now if anybody is still reading a question..... The gun shoots well but the transfer bar gets "trapped" after each shot, just slightly pulling back the hammer allows the trigger to reset. I did not put the factor trigger return spring back in and try it. In measuring the transfer bar thickness and the step on the hammer they are basically the same. My thought is to dust off about .010 on the transfer bar and see if it lets it reset. The way it is now doesn't effect shooting the gun, it's just not what I'm used to. Any history with this issue? Thanks Dave
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Post by bigmuddy on Dec 18, 2017 23:52:35 GMT -5
I got mine today, and first impressions were very good to say the least. Grip frame to frame fit is as good as any gun I own. Grip fit was not perfect, but not un-acceptable either. I checked the cylinder throats with my scientific bullet drop, and a .451 jacketed bullet would not begin to go through. I have experienced this in several Ruger 45's and I expected to need to open the throats. The finish on the gun is nothing short of beautiful. I cleaned the gun and headed out to the ranch to run some rounds through this one.
I had several different lead bullet loads as well as one with jacketed:
250 gr.LRNFP .452 with Unique 255 gr.Lyman 454424 .452 with Unique 225 gr.LSWC Hollow Point from GT Bullets .454 285 gr. LRNFP LBT .454 with AA#9 260 gr. Speer JHP with AA#9
The LBT bullets would not chamber in the tight throats. The 225 gr. HP's sized .454 chambered but the groups, while acceptable, were the worst of any tried. The off hand groups at 25 yds were 2.5"
I was pretty amazed that the lead bullets, both the RNFP's and the SWC's, sized .452 shot VERY well. Off hand groups were 1.5". I thought with those tight throats these would shoot poorly, and also expected leading. The gun showed virtually no lead in the bore at all. To say I was pleasantly surprised is an understatement.
The Speer jacketed bullets shot great, with all bullets off hand clustering into a nice tight 1" group.
After firing 25 yard groups I went to shooting as I do 90% of the time; walking a trail taking shots at steel placed in various locations in the woods. I was consistently hitting targets out to 75 yards. This gun just seemed to be easy to hit with.
The stainless hammer didn't bother me as much as I expected. Concentrating on the front sight and trigger squeeze I didn't even notice what the hammer looked like. Concentrate on that trigger I had to...as the creep and hitch are terrible. The trigger definitely needs work. It did smooth out some with more shooting.
The chambers seemed a little rough as extraction of empties felt "gritty". That too smoothed out with use, so maybe there was some grit I didn't get out with the initial cleaning.
My overall impression of this gun...I LIKE IT! I LIKE IT A LOT! The smooth cylinder with no roll marking, the case hardening, no warning on the side of the barrel, all make it a special gun. I was hesitant to buy one at all as I have virtually the same gun already. I bought a 7.5" Bisley long ago and had the barrel shortened to 5.5" before I ever fired a shot. That one has seen a lot of use and is one of my favorites. It may be relegated to back up duty now.
Things I will/may do to improve on this new gun (for me at least) will be:
Free Spin Pawl (because I like them) Different grips (I like these but I think the set of walnuts I got from Dick are going on this one instead of the .480) Possibly a Power Half Cock Hammer. This I would do for the cylinder indexing and the better trigger pull. Bowen Target Sight. Belt Mountain Base Pin (All Rugers need one)
That's all for now. I was really excited to see this one from TALO/Ruger. I really had plans to send my other 5.5" gun off to have it dressed up a bit, but don't feel the need anymore.
Dan
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 18, 2017 23:58:04 GMT -5
How interesting... A man who actually took a gun out and shot it. Great review too.
My impression has been very, very favorable as well. Admittedly, I've only held three of these guns.
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paulg
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Post by paulg on Dec 19, 2017 6:14:19 GMT -5
How interesting... A man who actually took a gun out and shot it. Great review too. My impression has been very, very favorable as well. Admittedly, I've only held three of these guns. My thought as well Mr. Huey. As Bradshaw consistently points out shoot the thing first. The target speaks volumes.
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Post by bigmuddy on Dec 22, 2017 0:47:44 GMT -5
I'm liking this gun more all the time. Had the trigger worked on and now have a light crisp let off. Also added the Belt Mountain base pin. The trigger is so good I may forget about the new hammer/trigger replacement. It is riding very well in my Sparks 200AW that was made for the previous 5.5" Bisley I mentioned. Shooting and handling this gun makes me think of Ross Seyfreid for some reason. Dan
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GSSP
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Post by GSSP on Dec 23, 2017 16:09:16 GMT -5
Dan,
I LOVE Milt Sparks holsters but have only ever had them made to carry 1911's; IWB and OWB. I'd love to hear more about the 200AW for the Bisley if you wouldn't mind taking the time to write about it as well as post some pics. I've got 2 different SS 4-5/8" Bisley's; 44 Spl and 480 Ruger as well as a 5.5" SS Bisley in 45 Colt.
Thank you,
Alan
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Post by jdpress on Dec 23, 2017 16:49:30 GMT -5
This is an early model Ruger Bisley in .45 Colt that I had color case hardened about three years ago. In addition to the frame and loading gate I also had the hammer and trigger color case hardened since they were also carbon steel. All of the color case hardened parts were also coated with a coat of clear gloss lacquer. I have put a lot of heavy .45 Colt rounds through this revolver. I sure like the idea of purchasing a Bisley that is already color case hardened and I especially like the new Rosewood grips without medallions! J.D. Press
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Post by magpouch on Dec 23, 2017 19:44:13 GMT -5
THAT is one beautiful revolver! WOW! I hope the Ruger T/B Bisley I have on order is half as nice...
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Post by bigmuddy on Dec 25, 2017 21:51:31 GMT -5
Dan, I LOVE Milt Sparks holsters but have only ever had them made to carry 1911's; IWB and OWB. I'd love to hear more about the 200AW for the Bisley if you wouldn't mind taking the time to write about it as well as post some pics. I've got 2 different SS 4-5/8" Bisley's; 44 Spl and 480 Ruger as well as a 5.5" SS Bisley in 45 Colt. Thank you, Alan www.miltsparks.com/products-200aw.phpAlan, I have had my 200 AW for almost 30 years. I first read of them when Ross Seyfreid showed them with his 5.5" Bisleys. I had two Bisleys shortened from 7.5", one a 45 and the other a 44mag. The Sparks holster carries them so well that the gun is never in the way and is always secure. The belt loop is located in just the right location so the weight of the gun is distributed perfectly. The adjustable welt has allowed me to also use medium frame guns in the same holster, although I do have a Hank Sloan from Doc Barranti that gets used more for these guns. It is a similar holster without the heavy adjustable welt. I'll try to get some pics of mine. It probably should go in the gallery thread on "used" leather. It has a LOT of miles on it but other than a few stains it is as sturdy as it was when new. The holster holds the gun very securely in the saddle or on an ATV, in and out of the pick up or climbing into tree stands. All in all a fantastic holster for a heavy sixgun. Seyfreid said in his article on the "Ultimate Revolver" (a Bisley Vaquero) that his Sparks holsters always look too small for the gun intended. The design does use a minimum amount of leather. I prefer mine un-lined as they are lighter and seem to wrap around the gun. Hope this answers some questions. Dan
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Post by bigmuddy on Dec 25, 2017 22:01:15 GMT -5
On my Talo Bisley, I did open the throats to .4525 so that I could chamber the LBT bullets. I really like the 265 gr. WFNGC as well as a 285 gr. RNFP. Both of those bullets now chamber just fine and shoot very well. I know they are only supposed to create 500 of these guns, but I hope they become a regular catalog item, if not the CCH frame then at least make the Bisley with 5.5" barrels in blued steel.
Dan
J.D.Press that is one FINE looking sixgun.
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GSSP
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Post by GSSP on Dec 25, 2017 22:44:49 GMT -5
Dan,
Looking forward to seeing the pics.
Alan
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Post by Colt45r on Apr 4, 2018 8:55:23 GMT -5
I have to say, that I too am impressed with what I am seeing on these specific Bisley's. Now, to say they are just like my custom bisley's is absurd, but they seem to be trying, other than the sorry grip fit issues and occasional Ruger Blip, they all seem to be getting somewhat better. Out of a massive amount of Ruger single action revolvers between me and an FFL friend of mine, we have never seen a cylinder gap smaller than .005" With that said, I am buying these based on the fact that they are the best Rugers that I have ever witnessed in the past and present. There is a lot of hope for Ruger with what they are doing for sure. I am seeing an average of .007" cylinder gaps and throats that average .4515" Not that bad in my book for a production gun (I call them project guns)LOL! I also find that the people that are assembling the guns are doing so, while in a timed racing event, maybe even under the influence. Have seen marks from running the screw drivers and so on. Very good looking guns though and they shoot very well for production guns as well. Good looking pictures guys.
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