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Post by needsmostuff on Nov 11, 2017 9:56:48 GMT -5
I bought 41 mags. when they WERE underrated and forgotten. They were cheaper than 44s and got the same job done. After they got rediscovered and put on a pedestal shrouded in mystic that is no longer the case. I still have a few but at the pressure levels I generally shoot I would be hard pressed to be able to tell the difference between the two calibers. I'm sure at extreme levels they do break out as flatter shooting or harder smack down power but I seldom push that envelope. If the price was the same as a 44 I would always consider a 41 but it never is . Therefore I leave the 41s for the zealots. I say shoot what ya got.
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Post by dougader on Nov 11, 2017 10:27:08 GMT -5
That's the way of the caliber wars argument, if it's a smaller caliber then - hey - it shoots flatter and has greater sectional density; if's the bore is bigger, well then, you've got a heavier bullet with a larger frontal smack-down area.
.429 - .410 = .019". Hardly worth the quibble. Personal preference is personal preference. I'd love to have both!
Currently, the stable runs .22 LR, 327, 357, 44, 45, 480. Seems like a .375 and a .41 would fit right in there.
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Post by jwp475 on Nov 11, 2017 10:33:58 GMT -5
That's the way of the caliber wars argument, if it's a smaller caliber then - hey - it shoots flatter and has greater sectional density; if's the bore is bigger, well then, you've got a heavier bullet with a larger frontal smack-down area. .429 - .410 = .190". Hardly worth the quibble. Personal preference is personal preference. I'd love to have both! Currently, the stable runs .22 LR, 327, 357, 44, 45, 480. Seems like a .375 and a .41 would fit right in there. I believe you meant .019”
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Post by CraigC on Nov 11, 2017 11:31:29 GMT -5
Some day I need to come together with a nice N-frame .41.
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Post by sixshot on Nov 11, 2017 11:34:42 GMT -5
I've said many times that my first big bore was a 4" model 57 S&W, bought used for $100. Man, did I ever shoot that gun & I shot it heavy, never, ever shot it loose & I always thought, just like John that it was a better model 29 than the 44 for that reason. I've killed about as much game with the 41 as I have with the 44 & when you use 250 gr bullets in both it's a very thin difference, if any that we're talking about. Some time set a 250 gr LBT 41 bullet next to the famous 250 44 Keith, you'll swear you've got them backwards. The 41 has a much bigger meplat. Never really thought much about it shooting flatter, that's not much of a difference really but my 230 gr Keith bullet will penetrate like crazy & the accuracy in any 41 is superb at all distances near & far.
Read Mark Hampton's excellent write up in the latest Gun's Magazine on the 41 magnum & look at the accuracy with plain base cast bullets. I've never been without one since 1967 & I've eaten an awful lot of venison & elk since then. I know one thing for sure, it's not under rated at my house!
Dick
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Post by jgt on Nov 11, 2017 11:37:13 GMT -5
When I first had income enough to buy the guns I wanted, I thought I wanted guns in every caliber. I owned them from .22 to .45 caliber. My .41 magnums were in model 57's so I may have missed something Rugers had to offer. I found them to have very sharp recoil and very offensive, loud muzzle blast. I eventually settled on the .44 special for a side arm and .44 magnum for hunting. I think people should try them, if they like them, go for it. At the time, I had a buddy that absolutely love his .41 magnum and would consider no others. They are not for everyone, but those that love them seem to be very dedicated.
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Post by JM on Nov 11, 2017 12:24:41 GMT -5
Think it is more of a platform issue, than caliber.
If the overall dimensions of the revolver are the same, might as well use the largest diameter projectile.
If the 41 Magnum revolver was mid-size between the .357 & the 44 Magnum, it may have gained more acceptance from the general public.
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Post by jsh on Nov 11, 2017 13:52:11 GMT -5
If one is told over and over that something is a "fact" it becomes fact. Even though the person repeating it has never owned or used one, pick a subject or object not just a 41 magnum. It seems this phenomenon goes faster today than it did when we just had some magazines or written articles on said subject. Then, when ones mentor or mentors and colleagues repeat this falsity, why it has to be true? Today, if it's on the internet, it has to be true. Amazes me at the age spread from pre teens to folks who should know better believe that.
I will admit to reading magazines as a young man till all the ink was worn off from looking at each and every article so many times. I had a lot of heros back then, still do as far as that goes, funny how they usually have a Resistol or Stetson on.
It had been drilled into me for years by folks I looked to for advice that there are certain calibers out there that are just no good or is a problem child and should be avoided, so I did.
I won't list them all but will mention the first one, 30-40 Krag. There were others after that. Then when chasing the 375 SM led me here because of the 375 Lee had worked with. After asking questions and more reading, then repeatedly being directed to the 41 mag, I took the leap. I have never regretted it. The 41 magnum will always have a place in my stable. The last one was a CZ rifle in 17 Remington, just a month ago.
I made a comment to the effect that the 6.5 popularity was largely marketing, on another forum. That was met with howls of outrage. I must be getting old, I recall not that long ago or so it seems, if you mentioned anything 6.5 you were looked at with a raised eye brow. It is a fine caliber as I and a lot of other rifle loonies knew. Most were held up with a small supply of bullets, let alone good bullets. 6.5's were in the hands of very talented and capable shooters and winning matches of all kinds. They came on the scene very well. We had seen the 260 come and go already, for the most part. The Creedmoor and Grendel I am pretty certain are here to stay. But with some careful study, there is not enough difference in several calibers already out there for the AVERAGE person to argue about.
I won't say the 41 mag was doomed from the start. It was just not started off with a warm welcome. They say things go full circle, I believe that to be fairly true. Sometimes the second time around is better than the first.
Maybe one of those cowboy hat wearing gents will comment ;-).
Jeff
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Post by jwp475 on Nov 11, 2017 15:05:34 GMT -5
Think it is more of a platform issue, than caliber. If the overall dimensions of the revolver are the same, might as well use the largest diameter projectile. If the 41 Magnum revolver was mid-size between the .357 & the 44 Magnum, it may have gained more acceptance from the general public. In my opinion the 41 mag is in the correct frame the S&W N-Frame, I’ve never seen or heard of one shooting loose and they dampen recoil as well as very easy to shoot accurately.
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Post by sixshot on Nov 11, 2017 15:19:39 GMT -5
Some guys that wear baseball caps have taken a lot of game with the 41 magnum, from multiple elk, white tails, mule deer, bear, antelope, hogs & javelina. It can easily stand on it's own. Would a 44 magnum have worked better, not with every bullet exiting. I think factory 44 ammo is usually listed at about 16 ft lbs of recoil & the 41 factory ammo is listed at about 12 ft lbs, that's 25%. The 44 magnum is still my favorite caliber & the 41 magnum is my second favorite & its earned it's place easily.
Dick
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Post by jsh on Nov 11, 2017 16:08:21 GMT -5
Dick, now you know I did not mean to slight folks that wear ball caps!
I wear a ball cap a fair bit of the time any more, dang smaller vehicles and head rest they put on these new cars and trucks. Dunno if your going to drive them or recline and take a nap, though I have to admit the do make windshield time easier. I had an old gray Stetson I wore for years and years. I had the brim trimmed up several times when I would have its yearly cleaning at the old American Royal. Same folks for about 15-18 years. Old faithful finally wore out I went "naked" for about 4 years. Guys I hunted with kept complaint about my head flashing and spooking critters. I grabbed a ball cap. Many years since wearing a real hat, caps are like Saran Wrap, covers things up but don't really do anything other than keep the "flash"'down. Who ever invented ball caps had to have been shorter than Fermin. I mean who would put a hard button smack dab in the middle?
FYI,if you have forgotten, you were one of the main "enablers" for me on the 41. I am in debt to you. Lol, may be in debt because of you, gotta study on that.......
Right tool for the job is the way I see it.
Jeff
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Post by sierra11b on Nov 11, 2017 18:39:11 GMT -5
Didn't make it to the range today due to an unforeseeable event so the NOS 57 remains unfired. So bummed and I let my Nephew and Dad down on shooting some stuff they're never tried, but they still got to shoot their stuff. Will reschedule asap.
One of my local gun shops seems to sporadically get OM .357 donors... Maybe an all-blued Jeff Quinn Special in .41 may be in order?
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Post by dougader on Nov 11, 2017 22:43:30 GMT -5
41 mag was touted as a police cartridge, but it didn't catch on until the 40 S&W...
From paper, tin cans to large game it has it all covered. What's not to like? Muzzle blast? Load it down. The 357 mag is a nasty sucker for muzzle blast and flame throwing but it's been popular. Go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 22:53:44 GMT -5
I apologize for having a differing opinion, based on my personal experiences and observations.
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Post by jsh on Nov 11, 2017 23:29:13 GMT -5
I recall mention in the IHMSA news on more than one occasion of a group of shooters known as the "41 Mafia". Danged if I can recall who all was in it. Seems like Ted Zsyk was one of them, shooting barefoot to boot! Jeff
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