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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:25:49 GMT -5
You can probably ship a rifle to an FFL for $30-40.00. Handguns are commonly stolen by Fedex or UPS employees, and they don't want them in the system for any longer than necessary. If you must ship a handgun direct to an FFL, be prepared to pay the price. If you misrepresent the contents of a package you open the possibility of not being able to collect on your insurance claim because you are circumventing the procedures the carrier has in place to protect your shipment. BTW, a small heavy box, heavily insured is a dead give away, especially at the terminal at the destination city where the sorters see these types of packages and the typically cryptic receivers business name. "SR Co Cust Svc Southport CT".
Rifles are a lot harder to smuggle out of the distribution centers.
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Paden
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Post by Paden on Jan 27, 2017 19:33:14 GMT -5
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm or ammunition, prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm and requires obtaining written acknowledgement of receipt. [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a)(5), 922(e) and (f); 27 CFR 478.30 and 478.31] I suppose what my question is, what is considered a contract carrier and what is considered a common carrier. A "common or contract carrier" is referring to any commercial shipper other than the USPS. Bottom line: If you don't have a FFL you can't ship a handgun via USPS. It has to go via a commercial shipper.
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Jan 27, 2017 19:46:07 GMT -5
A FFL dealer can ship handguns via USPS Priority Mail to another FFL. A private citizen cannot legally do so, and must therefore use UPS or Fed. Ex., which require it to go overnight, or 2 day, as a matter of company policy, and those carriers can therefore get away with charging very high rates. I have developed a relationship with a local FFL, who uses the much cheaper USPS Priority Mail, and charges me a minimal upcharge (sometimes nothing) for his work. I suggest you do the same. Lying and skullduggery are ridiculous risks. Someone asks this question every year or two on this forum, and the correct answer is always the same.
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Post by Snyd on Jan 27, 2017 22:08:45 GMT -5
A FFL dealer can ship handguns via USPS Priority Mail to another FFL. A private citizen cannot legally do so, and must therefore use UPS or Fed. Ex., which require it to go overnight, or 2 day, as a matter of company policy, and those carriers can therefore get away with charging very high rates. I have developed a relationship with a local FFL, who uses the much cheaper USPS Priority Mail, and charges me a minimal upcharge (sometimes nothing) for his work. I suggest you do the same. Lying and skullduggery are ridiculous risks. Someone asks this question every year or two on this forum, and the correct answer is always the same. Yup, I use a local FFL and it's half the cost of FedEx or UPS and he doesn't charge me to pick it up on the return. However, once I FedExed a firearm to the lower 48 and it didn't make it when FedEx said it would so I got a 100% refund! FedEx free shipping! Yes, I agree..."Lying and skullduggery are ridiculous risks" No sense in breaking Federal law to try and save 50 bucks or so.
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Post by f3 on Jan 27, 2017 22:54:12 GMT -5
A FFL dealer can ship handguns via USPS Priority Mail to another FFL. A private citizen cannot legally do so, and must therefore use UPS or Fed. Ex., which require it to go overnight, or 2 day, as a matter of company policy, and those carriers can therefore get away with charging very high rates. I have developed a relationship with a local FFL, who uses the much cheaper USPS Priority Mail, and charges me a minimal upcharge (sometimes nothing) for his work. I suggest you do the same. Lying and skullduggery are ridiculous risks. Someone asks this question every year or two on this forum, and the correct answer is always the same. Yup, I use a local FFL and it's half the cost of FedEx or UPS and he doesn't charge me to pick it up on the return. However, once I FedExed a firearm to the lower 48 and it didn't make it when FedEx said it would so I got a 100% refund! FedEx free shipping! Yes, I agree..."Lying and skullduggery are ridiculous risks" No sense in breaking Federal law to try and save 50 bucks or so. Another question. Why wouldn't it have been shipped directly back to you? Was it coming back from someone other than a service dept. or a gunsmith?
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Snyd
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Post by Snyd on Jan 28, 2017 0:57:10 GMT -5
Yup, I use a local FFL and it's half the cost of FedEx or UPS and he doesn't charge me to pick it up on the return. However, once I FedExed a firearm to the lower 48 and it didn't make it when FedEx said it would so I got a 100% refund! FedEx free shipping! Yes, I agree..."Lying and skullduggery are ridiculous risks" No sense in breaking Federal law to try and save 50 bucks or so. Another question. Why wouldn't it have been shipped directly back to you? Was it coming back from someone other than a service dept. or a gunsmith? If you ship/mail from an FFL to and FFL it has to ship back to the FFL. If you Fedex/UPS to an FFL like a gunsmith he can ship it back to you directly.
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Post by ebg3 on Jan 28, 2017 6:36:31 GMT -5
I was told by a manufacturer that an individual can send a handgun back to the manufacturer via USPS legally, without using a FFL. Sending to an individual is not legal unless from FFL to FFL.
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Post by robrcg on Jan 28, 2017 8:10:48 GMT -5
I was told by a manufacturer that an individual can send a handgun back to the manufacturer via USPS legally, without using a FFL. Sending to an individual is not legal unless from FFL to FFL. I dont think the above is correct. The USPS site has shipping regs for government agencies, law enforcement, museums etc, but otherwise is FFL to FFL only, whether a manufacturer or dealer. Non FFL holders should use UPS/FedEx. 432.23 Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms, licensed dealers of firearms, and licensed importers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts. 432.24 Certificate of Manufacturers, Dealers, and Importers A federal firearms licensee manufacturer, dealer, or importer need not file the affidavit under 432.22, but must file with the Postmaster a statement on PS Form 1508, Statement by Shipper of Firearms, signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer, dealer, or importer of firearms. The mailer must also state that the parcels containing handguns, or parts and components of handguns under 432.2d, are being mailed in customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of their knowledge the addressees are licensed manufacturers, dealers, or importers of firearms. Registered Mail service is recommended. Postmasters may forward an unsatisfactory mailer statement to the PCSC for a ruling.
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Post by paulg on Jan 28, 2017 9:18:16 GMT -5
A few years ago I had a new Charter Arms Bulldog that had to go back for several issues. Charter emailed me a shipping label for the USPS. They told me to put the gun in it's original box along with a note with the problems, put it in a flat rate box and send it to them. About two weeks later the gun was in my mailbox better than new. No FFL required.
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Post by robrcg on Jan 28, 2017 9:56:16 GMT -5
A few years ago I had a new Charter Arms Bulldog that had to go back for several issues. Charter emailed me a shipping label for the USPS. They told me to put the gun in it's original box along with a note with the problems, put it in a flat rate box and send it to them. About two weeks later the gun was in my mailbox better than new. No FFL required. I get it paulg and would have followed their instructions too before I had to dig into this mess. Perhaps buried in the USPS legalese somewhere there's an allowance for that but I've not found it. First time I used the post office to ship a handgun to another FFL I was told I couldn't do that, had to be law enforcement. I had to print out their own regs and show it to them before the counter person would accept the shipment. Talk to three people at any place, USPS, UPS about shipping handguns and you might get three different answers. Not surprising that a manufacturer could get it wrong too. I doubt most FFL holders know you have to fill out a form 1508 every time you ship to another FFL via USPS.
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Post by paulg on Jan 28, 2017 14:34:32 GMT -5
I didn't get it either Rob. That was my first experience with having to ship a gun back to a manufacturer for repair. Maybe I and CA got lucky in that deal. I was surprised it could go through the post office like any other package but I figured they knew what they were doing.
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