de1216
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Post by de1216 on Oct 10, 2016 18:24:46 GMT -5
Can anyone address the comparitive recoil of these two rounds in a Ruger No. 1 ? I have a Marlin 1895 CB 45-70, & Ruger's Lyman Centenial 45-70. Have fired a No. 1 45-70 other than mine (Centenial is a much heavier rifle) as well as my 444 Marlin.
All that established, I've been interested for purely nostalgic reasons ( no Cape Buff in my neighborhood) with the Boddington No. 1 in 450/400, and am now troubled with the sudden appearance of one for sale locally.
Comments?
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Post by Fowler on Oct 10, 2016 19:06:54 GMT -5
I doubt you can tell much of a difference at full power, 450/400 is a 400gr bullet at 2100 or so and the 45-70 +P Garretts are 435gr at 1950fps or so. I hope you reload and cast bullets, if you do either cartridge can be run at whatever power level you like making the gun more versitile and fun.
Of course my flawed memory might be a little off to so plan accordingly.
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Post by nolongcolt on Oct 10, 2016 19:56:09 GMT -5
Its important to know that the Ruger No.1 in the heavy, hard kicking calibers hurt! I have had them in that caliber and the .405 Win, and currently own a custom .404 Jeff No.1, and I can tell you this. The .450-400 No. 1 is the only rifle I have ever fired that gave me a recoil headache very quickly after just a few rounds. That means it was rattling my brain! I sold it and bought a CZ 550 in .404 Jeff which weighed a couple pounds more and had a much better recoil pad, no more headache with the same kind of loads. And know also that the 450-400 can be up loaded somewhat just like the .404 J can. Both can drive a 400 bullet well beyond factory spec if desired, approaching 2500 fps. I can handle a bit more than factory type loads but not much in the No. 1 custom which has a heavy Krieger barrel, and a better pad. If you are content to shoot factory or less and could pop for a better pad, go for it, neat rifles, but don't look to hot rod it much or its gonna hurt.
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Post by oregon45 on Oct 14, 2016 15:26:57 GMT -5
The big difference between the two cartridges, when chambered in the Ruger #1, is that the 450/400 has a longer, heavier barrel and that takes some (but by no means all) of the sting out of heavy loads. Heavy 45-70 loads out of the relatively light 22" barrel of the #1 in 45-70 are truly unpleasant.
I had a #1 in 450/400 and really enjoyed shooting it. I put together a load using 400gr cast bullets and Trail Boss powder that kicked about like a light 20ga shotgun; did most of my practicing with that load, and used a 400gr Woodleigh over H4831 for my heavy load.
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Post by Thunderjet on Oct 14, 2016 15:51:53 GMT -5
I owned the exact same model Ruger 1 and make no mistake about it, the recoil is brutal. In comparison, my double rifle in the same caliber is a relative pussy cat. Could be due to the fact the double weighs one pound more combined by a better fitting stock. For some reason, most likely stock design, the Ruger 1's in large calibers just beat the crap out of me.
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Post by dmize on Oct 16, 2016 10:07:41 GMT -5
Ruger Tropical in 45/70,with Ruger level reloads, broke me of ever wanting a #1 in any caliber.
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Post by nolongcolt on Oct 16, 2016 13:24:23 GMT -5
Up to about 300 mag levels the No.1 is fine, go to the big boys and its a whole different animal. I love the rifles in the smaller cals. I have them in .257 Roberts, 7x57, 9.3x74 and .404 Jeffery custom. The custom .404 is the most accurate of them all, lights out.
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Post by cas on Oct 16, 2016 23:11:33 GMT -5
For much the same reason (no real good one) I REALLY wanted a No.1 in .450/400. I guess part of me still does. Instead I bought one in .475 Linebaugh. I figured I could feed it A LOT cheaper and I'd actually be able to shoot it more often, it would be plenty powerful enough for what I'd likely ever use it for (paper and deer), and it would kick enough to let me know I was shooting something. And... worst case, if I found it too wimpy, I could always punch it out to something else. As it turns out I haven't shot it tons, but I know it was the right choice. (I passed on a cheap .45-70 years ago and always regretted it, but I have a .45-70 levergun and .45-90 single shots and wanted something different)
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Post by groo on Oct 18, 2016 14:09:54 GMT -5
Groo here Big bore's just are something special. For real fun try a tc encore in 500 S&W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by aciera on Oct 19, 2016 5:03:44 GMT -5
Had a friend working up 45-70 loads for Africa with a 560 gc........beautiful bullet. Till you shot it at flank speed in a Number 3........... Why a Number 3 ! !!?? Says I ........ He wants to carry a lighter rifle...........that's what the client wants.
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Post by warhawk on Nov 14, 2016 22:39:32 GMT -5
Ruger Tropical in 45/70,with Ruger level reloads, broke me of ever wanting a #1 in any caliber. Mine was a #1S in 45-70 ... NEVER AGAIN!
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Post by dmize on Nov 15, 2016 11:16:53 GMT -5
I talked to the guy that owned that gun and it was a #3 not a Tropical.
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Post by Aggie01 on Nov 16, 2016 7:41:27 GMT -5
A little off topic, but JRH is crafting a 50-90 Sharps for me on a #1. We are using a .950 dia barrel, a recoil reducer in the stock and a 1.5" recoil pad from NECG, to tame the recoil as much as we can.
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Post by cas on Nov 16, 2016 21:35:42 GMT -5
That should be "interesting". My Sharps weighs a ton, shooting 700gr paper patch bullets with 120grs of 1F. It doesn't hurt, but it pushes your brain around a little. lol When I shot it every week it didn't even notice it. When I went back to it after a break I thought "You know what, this just isn't fun anymore." Funny how that stuff works, I did it with my 500 Linebaugh revolver too. When you get used to it, and shoot it all the time, you don't think too much about it. When you go back to it after a long lay off you think "What was I crazy? I did this for fun?" I found a box of my old hunting loads and figured I'd shoot them up. I fired two rounds and said "screw this!", I pulled the rest of them.
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Post by awp101 on Nov 27, 2017 14:39:23 GMT -5
I had a #1 in 450/400 and really enjoyed shooting it. I put together a load using 400gr cast bullets and Trail Boss powder that kicked about like a light 20ga shotgun I've run across one of these for sale and I'm more interested in finding a BP load but the TB load sounds interesting. Out of curiosity, what was the charge? A ballpark figure is OK just to give me an idea of how much powder is involved.
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