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Post by TERRY MURBACH on Jul 23, 2014 10:31:40 GMT -5
YES...REALLY !!!!!!!!!!! WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, SKULL SWEAT, AND MONEY coming up with a load that met the 50 yard Colorado standard and do it at SAAMI specification pressure levels that were/are perfectly safe in ANY modern made 45COLT pistol. And we did it. ANY bozo can stuff a 45COLT case to the gunwales and do the 50 yard energy requirements, DO IT MEETING SAMMI SPECS.
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Post by bulasteve on Jul 23, 2014 10:53:39 GMT -5
I'm thinking(it only hurt a little) that the warden in the field is gonna want to see a HP.. What the ATF wants, or whatever your thoughts are on cast bullets, it'll be the guy with the badge making that call. So call them.
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Post by seancass on Jul 23, 2014 13:23:24 GMT -5
YES...REALLY !!!!!!!!!!! WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, SKULL SWEAT, AND MONEY coming up with a load that met the 50 yard Colorado standard and do it at SAAMI specification pressure levels that were/are perfectly safe in ANY modern made 45COLT pistol. And we did it. ANY bozo can stuff a 45COLT case to the gunwales and do the 50 yard energy requirements, DO IT MEETING SAMMI SPECS. I said in the original post that this will be a Ruger and i meant a modern, large frame Ruger revolver, capable of safely using loads moderately above SAAMI. Sorry for not being more clear, but he's shopping for a new 45, so i don't know exactly which Ruger it will be. I'd love to hear more about this load you mention. That would have been a valuable addition to your first post in this thread. I guess i could go out and spend my own money and time if you don't care to share your considerable experience on the subject. Did you know that using all caps is like yelling on the internet? Sitting in a quiet room its like I'm being screamed at.
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Post by Fowler on Jul 23, 2014 14:55:00 GMT -5
Sean pay no mind to Terry's caps, typing is not his strong point and if you knew the man it is part of his charm. He is right getting a 45 colt to legal minimum in standard loads that any 45 colt can digest is a difficult, had he said that in his first post it would have been a little less gruff but then again gruff is part of his charm and he ain't changing.
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Post by Markbo on Jul 27, 2014 18:38:47 GMT -5
Yeah... Cha aaarmmming.
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Post by Cholla on Jul 27, 2014 18:42:33 GMT -5
A friend has asked me for advice in pursuing big game in Colorado with a 45C Ruger revolver. The law states that the intended firearm must produce 550 ft-lb of energy at 50 yards and use an "Expanding" bullet. In my handloading experience, I've never really cared what the bullet did upon impact, only that it hit where I wanted it to. Hitting that energy number isn't really a problem, my question regards the bullet. What sort of bullets do you folks recommend for this situation. Neither of us cast and it's not really an option right now. Should I just run with some XTP's? I'm worried that the velocity could be too slow and they won't work properly. It would be nice if the bullets were affordable and readily available so that he can practice a bunch. Is there a good commercial cast option? Thanks for your thoughts! How's about some of these: In this configuration they weigh 283 grs. I'm about to cast up another batch and it's no problem to cast them down around 8.5 to 9.0 Bhn where they're liable to expand or up around 12 Bhn where they "look" like expanding bullets but would not a 45 Colt velocities. Shoot me a PM if you're interested and I'll fix you up with some. Cholla
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Post by cmillard on Jul 27, 2014 22:15:01 GMT -5
good looking bullets
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Post by COR on Jul 29, 2014 6:36:07 GMT -5
I haven't ever seen anyone shoot those...where is all this proof? And let's be clear that lead will expand. No "game warden" is going to question if your round produces 550FPE. What world are some of you living in?
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Post by whitworth on Jul 29, 2014 7:15:09 GMT -5
COR, I have been playing with them for a while myself, and actually took a couple of hogs with my .480 loaded with their bullets a few months ago. Some of the most accurate bullets I have ever shot. I will continue testing them, though.
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Post by CraigC on Jul 29, 2014 9:18:31 GMT -5
The regulation about "expanding bullets" has nothing to do with hardcast lead bullets. It has everything to do with preventing rifle hunters from using FMJ's on critters.
I've seen Cutting Edge bullets in action and they work very, very well.
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Post by COR on Jul 29, 2014 18:02:07 GMT -5
Whit and CraigC...did I read that correctly? $88.95 per 50! 8 o Do you extend your pinky while shooting those gold nuggets?!
Those pigs and deer they kill should be gutted and wrapped in the freezer for that price!
I'll respect your opinions but dead is dead...they certainly have a way to go before they get my vote or $
Incidentally, I actually agree with the FMJ statement as that seems to be echoed in other states as well. I just find the weird rules on energy and velocity to be a bit overboard unless you've done many other things wrong and they just want to tack something on.
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Post by whitworth on Jul 29, 2014 19:18:01 GMT -5
Premium bullets cost. These are not cheap, but bloody accurate. Do you need premium bullets for deer? Not in my opinion, but that isn't the point. I don't recommend that someone plink with CEB bullets (unless of course you want to), but when you've got something expensive on the line (high trophy fees, etc), why wouldn't you spend the money on a bullet that works with a lesser margin of failure and a higher level of accuracy?? Y'all know I am a big proponent of hard cast bullets, but these things flat-out work.
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Post by Cholla on Jul 29, 2014 22:57:42 GMT -5
Interesting bullets, but I wonder if the solid version would do anything a similar cast bullet wouldn't do.
This bullet:
....wasn't "hard cast" but was cast of plain ol' wheelweights and penetrated the whitetail buck pictured to the left from the flank to under the skin at the juncture of the shoulder and neck. Can't ask for much more than that considering the relatively low velocity at which it was travelling.
Then this one, a cast penta HP, was shot into a series of water filled milk jugs.
Upon entering the first jug, it shed it's nose and penetrated 5 jugs. Similar to the described performance of the $88 bullets.
I'm think the Cutting Edge bullets real benefit is the fact that they're lead free. Other than that, I'm not sure they'd do anything a good home cast bullet would do.
Cholla
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Post by maxcactus on Jul 30, 2014 0:17:56 GMT -5
Whit and CraigC...did I read that correctly? $88.95 per 50! 8 o Do you extend your pinky while shooting those gold nuggets?! Yeah, I almost choked when I saw the price, too! It seems to me that it would be a very expensive endeavor to become really proficient with a sixgun launching these slugs, given load development, shooting to become proficient at various distances, etc. I'm not a cheapskate, but I am frugal and I'm just not stacked to the rafters with cash.
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Post by zac0419 on Jul 30, 2014 2:14:27 GMT -5
Yeah but guys like me and COR only pay $50 to hunt elk. Some guys from GA might pay $1500 for a DIY and upwards of $4000(?) to hunt with a guide. At that point $150 for a few boxes off bullets to get you the best accuracy and performance isn't that hard to swallow.
edit: I thought COR was one of us Colorado boys. Sorry for the mixup.
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