COR
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Post by COR on Feb 17, 2014 11:04:29 GMT -5
I can live without poached ivory shoes on my sixguns. Me too. However, what I would prefer NOT to live without is several pairs of grips carved out of legal, pre-ban ivory. Which is what ANY set of custom grips would be made from. What I CAN live without is a president who shreds the Constitution, making the personal property of thousands of Americans worthless contraband to satisfy the fruitcake environmentalists with feel-good legislation in a vain attempt to save animals on another friggin' continent. ALL Americans with a job and a brain should be horrified and outraged by this executive order. I finally agree with Craig!!! Outraged probably doesn't convey my actually feelings.... This is about much more than shoes for firearms...take heed
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Post by CraigC on Feb 17, 2014 11:19:38 GMT -5
Wonders never cease!
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Post by seancass on Feb 17, 2014 11:42:58 GMT -5
I agree that this whole order has very little to do with ivory and more to do with an executive using authority he doesn't actually have.
Obviously this will have no affect on elephants. Which is sad considering what a little cash and leadership could have done instead.
Reminds me of a line in a hunting book. Why are we culling elephants when they become over populated? Maybe we should be culling people so the elephants have enough room to live. Maybe that's too morbid for some, but eventually the world will have to make a choice and a compromise between humans and nature.
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Paden
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Post by Paden on Feb 17, 2014 11:47:17 GMT -5
...Why are we culling elephants when they become over populated? Maybe we should be culling people so the elephants have enough room to live. Wise words, I reckon.
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Post by CraigC on Feb 17, 2014 12:21:10 GMT -5
If there was "no closed season" on idiots, we wouldn't be having this discussion but rather sitting around the campfire enjoying our legal ivory. In a world without idiots, Obama would have no constituents.
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Post by sierra11b on Feb 17, 2014 12:33:21 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me how prohibiting the sale across state lines in a country where elephants are not indigenous makes any sense? Am I missing something?
I imagine it's just a way to make it hard on those wishing to procure even legal ivory by driving up costs. Reminds me of most knee-jerk guns laws designed to make it difficult without recognizing the actual problem. Let's assume for a minute there's a thriving ivory black market in the United States (maybe there is?)... What's stopping an ivory shipment from entering a US port illegally and who is going to stop them from crossing a state border undetected?
It would make more sense if they declared "amnesty" on all existing ivory in the USA, which is what I thought they pre-ban technically accomplished anyway, then implemented a system which actually worked in documenting ivory to its origin as best as the owner of said ivory could conjure-up from this point forward? At that point hold US customs more accountable in finding illegal ivory by opening any suspicious package declaring "tool for repair", etc
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Post by squawberryman on Feb 17, 2014 12:54:01 GMT -5
I've got an ivory guy here (Gene Beal). I talked to him yesterday and he said he sold more in the last three days than the last three months. I've no projects in mind but don't like this insane idea of saving the elephants by telling Persinger, Fishpaw, and Gene they can't sell those to me because the crooked government of Kenya needs to have some animals protected. Are we going to fund an anti-elephant hunter army on the backs of taxpayers?
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Post by Paden on Feb 17, 2014 12:56:36 GMT -5
If there was "no closed season" on idiots, we wouldn't be having this discussion but rather sitting around the campfire enjoying our legal ivory. In a world without idiots, Obama would have no constituents. ;) A young fellow would do well to consider that those he considers idiots may well hold him in similar regard and be equally armed.
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Post by CraigC on Feb 17, 2014 13:10:41 GMT -5
I'm sure they do but they are not equally armed. If you find yourself among them, then I am truly sorry.
Got any other wild accusations to sling?
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Post by Paden on Feb 17, 2014 13:14:46 GMT -5
...they are not equally armed. Such has been the belief of many a defeated army.
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Post by CraigC on Feb 17, 2014 13:17:53 GMT -5
Not to completely derail this thread but do you really think that 99% of the left wing, anti-gun, entitlement idiots that voted for Obama are armed?
Let us also clarify that you also believe that the gripmakers who have claimed to have been using legal pre-ban ivory are actually using illegal poached ivory? Is that your position?
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Post by bigmuddy on Feb 17, 2014 13:56:43 GMT -5
The anointed one does not give a damn about elephants anymore than he gives a damn about the American people. He just wants CONTROL....of EVERYTHING!
This would stop illegal ivory just as prohibition stopped alcohol and of course NO ONE makes money on illegal drugs.
Dan
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Post by sierra11b on Feb 17, 2014 14:11:11 GMT -5
I've got an ivory guy here (Gene Beal). I talked to him yesterday and he said he sold more in the last three days than the last three months. I've no projects in mind but don't like this insane idea of saving the elephants by telling Persinger, Fishpaw, and Gene they can't sell those to me because the crooked government of Kenya needs to have some animals protected. Are we going to fund an anti-elephant hunter army on the backs of taxpayers? Buying enough to stock a couple guns seems like a good idea. I have one gun I'd eventually like to put ivory on but wouldn't lose sleep if I didn't buy may look into buying a piece anyway I wonder how the law will read in regard to ivory passing into an artist's hand for custom work? I imagine it would be easy to do so in your own state, especially within driving distance of the artist you've commissioned, but what about sending my ivory across country to someone like Persinger only to come back? I'd guarantee this would require special license at a minimum and that even the scrap pieces would need returning. I bet it'll be flat out prohibited.
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Post by sierra11b on Feb 17, 2014 14:12:25 GMT -5
Double tap
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Post by blacktailslayer on Feb 17, 2014 15:36:18 GMT -5
I am just as worked-up over Obama's pen working overtime as anyone else here but I do believe that I have found a bright side to all of this, for me anyway; I live in the same state as kings6! If he has the need to sell some ivory I am on a short list of folks that can buy it without the paperwork hassel! Sorry all, I had to find the silver lining to this cloud somehow.
Don D.
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