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Post by savit260 on Jan 11, 2014 11:53:13 GMT -5
My 2nd Gen Cot Navy arrived the other day, and just wanted to post a few pics. Very nice smooth action, and really nice fit and finish. This is from the original run of C series 2nd Gen Navy's that were assembled, fitted and finished at the Hartford factory. It's unfired but has been turned and handled some. Now I need to convince myself that I should go out and shoot it!! Considering having a Thuer style (although adapted for modern rimmed cartridges) conversion done on this one. Possibly a second shorter barrel as well. Or maybe I'll just leave it as is. Decisions decisions.    |
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petep
.30 Stingray
Central Alabama
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Post by petep on Jan 11, 2014 13:37:22 GMT -5
Very beautiful revolver!If that were mine I could not stand it until I got to take it to the range!
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Post by hammerdown77 on Jan 12, 2014 0:03:45 GMT -5
That is a beautiful revolver! I wouldn't change a thing!
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Post by savit260 on Jan 12, 2014 11:10:40 GMT -5
Thanks guys... the cool thing about the Thuer style conversion is that it doesn't alter the gun in any way. It's just a matter of swapping in a different cylinder.
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Post by CraigC on Jan 12, 2014 12:04:58 GMT -5
Make a great cartridge conversion!
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Post by bobwright on Jan 13, 2014 15:00:51 GMT -5
Thanks guys... the cool thing about the Thuer style conversion is that it doesn't alter the gun in any way. It's just a matter of swapping in a different cylinder. Please explain. The ejector on Thuer Colts fit where the nipple relief cut is. And a rimmed cartridge? My Jug Johnson conversion was a Thurer conversion on a ruger Old Army, using .30 Carbine necked up to .44 Caliber. Never came to fruition, though! Bob Wright |
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Post by savit260 on Jan 13, 2014 18:21:53 GMT -5
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Post by CraigC on Jan 13, 2014 19:28:01 GMT -5
I hadn't seen the engraved Thuer but the Robert E. Lee Colt he did is gorgeous!
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Post by sagebrushburns on Jan 13, 2014 19:33:49 GMT -5
Very interesting on the Thuer conversion. I'm guessing they don't give those away...
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Post by Frank V on Jan 14, 2014 21:17:22 GMT -5
That is nice, congratulations. I fall into the shoot it camp. I don't think I could stand not shooting it.  |
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Post by Markbo on Jan 15, 2014 12:26:42 GMT -5
...My Jug Johnson conversion was a Thurer conversion on a ruger Old Army, using .30 Carbine necked up to .44 Caliber. Never came to fruition, though!.... Now that is a Jug Johnson idea if I ever heard one!  |
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Post by golfswithwolves on Jan 16, 2014 16:26:43 GMT -5
That's a lovely revolver! I don't think that it is an improvement to make it a cartridge shooter though, just a waste of money (I've done it with a Pietta Navy). You end up with a cartridge which is weak in power vs. the .36 ball which is pretty good in this regard. My 2 cents.
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Post by savit260 on Jan 16, 2014 16:46:27 GMT -5
With a conversion to the inside lubed version of the 41 Colt, I'd think it would be in about the same power range as the 36 with loose powder.
The inside lubed 41 Colt is .386 inside the case. I don't think it would be a stretch to load either round balls of .380 , or a bullet of .382 in that case with a full charge (20 gr) of BP or an appropriate charge of Trail Boss. I've been told even a soft lead .386 bullet works well in Navy conversions. Seems to me that these would be in the same power range as loose powder and a .380 round ball. I don't cast as of yet, but this could be the kick in the pants I need to get into it.
Shooting my Pietta Colt Army with the 45 Colt conversion with 35 gr of BP wad and round ball works very well, as does round ball with Trail Boss, and 35gr BP and a 250gr plain base cast bullet. Might try a 200gr bullet next just to move the POI down a little as the 250 hits a touch high.
This is my first 36 cal. and it seems around 20gr is a standard charge?
golfswithwolves how many gr of BP are you shooting in your Navy? Does 20gr sound about right?
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Post by CraigC on Jan 16, 2014 17:58:58 GMT -5
From the 1870's to today, the switch from loose blackpowder to metallic cartridges wasn't about more power, it was about convenience and reloading speed. The cartridge also allows you to use a bullet, rather than a ball. Even a bullet at less velocity is more potent than a ball at higher velocity.
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Post by golfswithwolves on Jan 16, 2014 18:01:21 GMT -5
Mr. savit- In my non-converted 3rd gen. Colt Navy I use 22 grains VOLUME of 3F Goex or the same VOLUME measure of Pyrodex P with a .375 ball and a felt wad. The Pyrodex gives around 1000 fps, the Goex about 900 fps. I will be ordering some 3F Swiss powder for this revolver, as it is supposed to do even better than Pyrodex. Alternatively, with a Kirst converter in my Pietta Navy I loaded 12 grains (pretty close to full cartridge case) of Pyrodex by WEIGHT. Equivalent VOLUME probably about 15 grains of black powder. This is in the .38 Long Colt cartridge which the Kirst Converter uses. I find no advantage to the cartridge except for easier loading of the cylinder, but this is of little matter to me. I would replace the Kirst device back with the revolver's original percussion cylinder (easy to do as you note) except that the Converter is such a well-made, finely machined and fitting piece that it is almost a shame not to have it in place! Unless the barrel of a converted gun is relined to .357/.358 you will need either to shoot a bullet which will expand to take the rifling of the larger percussion bore or else a heeled bullet with outside lubrication. I found this conversion to be an interesting experiment but not worthwhile for my usage, and I've not shot it on the chronograph I recently got. Mike Venturino's book on shooting Colt single actions suggests that the .38 Long Colt 130 grain cartridge load gets around 730-750 fps. Good luck and have fun! GWW
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