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Post by Lee Martin on Dec 2, 2013 9:44:17 GMT -5
Robb - first off, let me say your 5-shot 414 grabbed me the minute I saw it and has never let go. I picked-up another Ruger Max this summer and am torn between doing something similar to yours or a 475 Long. That said, have you run much in the way of 5-shot loads? And if so how does it perform? As for this thread I'll add my 414's: Chimney Rock El Dorado we converted, 9.0" barrel:  A 414 Contender we recently completed:  Seville 414 SuperMag prototype:  -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by gw425 on Dec 2, 2013 11:05:47 GMT -5
Here's mine. Built by Alan Harton, based on a maximum frame with 41 Hunter barrel. The one draw back I've found is that I have to trim the brass when loading the 265gr. bullets. The Supermag's are based on a 1.610 case, and the maximum was based on a 1.605 case, with OAL being slightly shorter for the Max. I haven't messed around with it enough to know if there are different bullet designs that will work. Dave @ Montana Bullet Works has some 240 grain gas checks that I'm going to order, but he's been laid up for a bit.    Greg |
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Post by cmh on Dec 2, 2013 11:22:18 GMT -5
I've always had a thing for the bisley hunters...... and if I could I would gladly have that one!!  Here's mine. Built by Alan Harton, based on a maximum frame with 41 Hunter barrel. The one draw back I've found is that I have to trim the brass when loading the 265gr. bullets. The Supermag's are based on a 1.610 case, and the maximum was based on a 1.605 case, with OAL being slightly shorter for the Max. I haven't messed around with it enough to know if there are different bullet designs that will work. Dave @ Montana Bullet Works has some 240 grain gas checks that I'm going to order, but he's been laid up for a bit. Greg |
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Post by cmh on Dec 2, 2013 11:27:01 GMT -5
Sixshot really got me to thinking about a 41 magnum in a Freedom Arms model 83... afraid I may have waited to long for a 414 supermag .... no brass |
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Post by AxeHandle on Dec 2, 2013 12:30:06 GMT -5
The brass will come and go... The more of us that order some the sooner it will be! I like that 414 max Hunter too... Some day a collector will wear his Blue Book, RENE, and all his Ruger books out trying to figure what that one is! |
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Post by onegoodshot on Dec 2, 2013 13:35:34 GMT -5
Brass shouldn't be an issue. There is plenty out there right now.
I'm looking to converting my 41 mag fa83 to a gnr. Never got any response on my thread about a 1.25" 41 conversion so I assume the gnr is the more cost efficient and practical way to go.
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Post by cmh on Dec 2, 2013 14:25:53 GMT -5
Well I knew starline was out so figured that was it...... I do hope to eventually come up with a model83 in 41 magnum thanks to Sixshot's tutelege and Lee's 41 articles.
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Post by cmh on Dec 2, 2013 19:57:46 GMT -5
Lee, is.it even possible to find replacement partsfor US sporting Arms revolvers anymore? Or is it a make your own if one breaks proposition?
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Post by cmillard on Dec 2, 2013 23:39:44 GMT -5
send it back to harton and have a 5 shot cylinder fit that is longer than the cylinder you have in there. there is a lot of barrel between the frame and the cylinder. you will be able to shoot heavier than 265s if you do that. beautiful revolver though.
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Post by whitworth on Dec 3, 2013 7:22:04 GMT -5
The brass will come and go... The more of us that order some the sooner it will be! I like that 414 max Hunter too... Some day a collector will wear his Blue Book, RENE, and all his Ruger books out trying to figure what that one is! You've got that right! He'll pull his hair out in frustration! This is great thread, keep 'em coming! |
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Post by AxeHandle on Dec 3, 2013 7:42:33 GMT -5
I bet we get David Bradshaw to chime in on this one... That cylinder length discussions about the Supermags seems to center around Ruger making the 357 max cylinder shorter than some thought it should be. The Seville and DW maximums were built with a slightly longer cylinder. To add a quick FA cylinder thought... We can't dispute the quality engineering behind the FA. Their cylinders are shorter than not just the Maximums but a custom full cylinder window Blackhawk cylinder too. Should not matter with off the shelf SAAMI ammo but when the bullet casters and reloaders start playing they hate to have their hands tied with the FA limitations. |
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Post by whitworth on Dec 3, 2013 9:08:43 GMT -5
I bet we get David Bradshaw to chime in on this one... That cylinder length discussions about the Supermags seems to center around Ruger making the 357 max cylinder shorter than some thought it should be. The Seville and DW maximums were built with a slightly longer cylinder. To add a quick FA cylinder thought... We can't dispute the quality engineering behind the FA. Their cylinders are shorter than not just the Maximums but a custom full cylinder window Blackhawk cylinder too. Should not matter with off the shelf SAAMI ammo but when the bullet casters and reloaders start playing they hate to have their hands tied with the FA limitations. We got pretty deeply into the development of the .357 Maximum in my new book, with David lending heavily to the discussion. |
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Post by gw425 on Dec 3, 2013 10:45:34 GMT -5
The cylinder length on my 414 Hunter is 1.935. I don't know how that compares to a true supermag cylinder, or other maximum cylinders. There is some variation in the starline brass also. They run anywhere from 1.6 to 1.610, which with standard for caliber bullet weights doesn't seem to make a difference. When I run the larger bullet weights is where I have the problem. I need to do some more measuring to find out my max nose to crimp groove length that I can run in this cylinder and order bullets accordingly. Axe, can you measure the cylinder length on that custom Gallagher 445 you just sold?
Greg
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Post by Lee Martin on Dec 3, 2013 16:50:06 GMT -5
Lee, is.it even possible to find replacement partsfor US sporting Arms revolvers anymore? Or is it a make your own if one breaks proposition? Unfortunately the parts are long gone. When they break you have a date with a machine shop. We've custom milled and ground a bolt and pawl for one of my Sevilles. It was a lot of effort but at least now they're out of tool steel. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time" |
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Post by cmh on Dec 3, 2013 18:48:18 GMT -5
I figured so..... In the last 20 years I have only see.three at local shows. Nice looking revolvers |
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