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Post by AxeHandle on Jan 22, 2012 15:54:26 GMT -5
For those who wonder and haven't googled to find out. The "Monson" for a DW refers to place of manufacture. Found this bit on Wikipedia. 1948–1968 D.B. Wesson Inc. Monson Massachusetts 1968–1971 Dan Wesson Arms Inc. Monson Massachusetts 1971–1983 Dan Wesson Arms Inc. Monson Massachusetts 1983–1995 Wesson Firearms Co. Palmer Massachusetts 1996–2005 Wesson Firearms Norwich New York 2005–present Wesson Firearms Norwich New York
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Post by Markbo on Jan 30, 2012 15:11:38 GMT -5
And along the lines of other makers is there a 'standard' that a gun from a particular place or era is probably better made?
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Post by shooting4life on Jan 30, 2012 20:07:53 GMT -5
Monson and Norwich are considered the best. Though I have not had any problems with my Palmer. I think it is more of an Internet thing than actual Palmer breing sub par. Or if it is less than the others it is so little that most people couldn't tell.
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Post by AxeHandle on Jan 31, 2012 8:29:16 GMT -5
Pretty much what I read too.. Also read that DW was good at correcting any noted deficiencies so the issues in the Palmer guns were quickly resolved.
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Post by texashoosier on Jan 31, 2012 22:10:51 GMT -5
I think the "flaws" of the Palmer guns were more cosmetic than functional. Some of that also came because of the attempts to market a fixed-barrel model during that time that wasn't well received.
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Post by AxeHandle on Feb 1, 2012 13:35:43 GMT -5
Most DWs I pick up are Monson guns. I have ever been impressed with any DW so far as fit and finish. The way they stamp the name and SNs on them looks like they hired old Ruger employees (serial number stampers) from the 1950s. Will say that I haven't handled a Norwich DW. With all the gyrations of DW the production records do not exist where we can see them (BATFE has them). The DW nuts generally know which ones are hardest to find. The long cylinder guns are the scarcest. 414SMs are generally impossible to find followed by the 375SM, the 445SM, and then 357SM. We see a lot of 44, 357, and 22 DWs on the auction sites. The 32s and 41s aren't seen much.
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Post by shooting4life on Feb 2, 2012 18:15:57 GMT -5
I am still looking for the elusive 414 supermag. I missed one on gb by a few hours with a buy it now price of $1100. I almost cried. Here are the other three stretch frame revolvers 445 supermag hunter pack from monson 375 supermag from monson (thinking about selling it since I've never shot it since I've owned it). And 357 supermag from Palmer My experience is the stretch frame guns are better quality than the small and large frame guns. I rate dw quality between ruger and s&w. I double actions are usually pretty heavy and the ejector rod on the cylinder is to frail. Other than that I like them.
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Post by AxeHandle on Feb 2, 2012 19:58:42 GMT -5
Nice "set." Beware selling... As an old running buddy says, "They aren't eating anything." They always cost more to get back too.. Do keep me in mind on the 375...
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Post by vonfatman on Feb 4, 2012 9:22:08 GMT -5
I wish I had several other large-frame Dan Wessons. I have but a couple...mine are the much more common .357 Super-Mag & .44 Magnum (both Monson guns)
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Post by AxeHandle on Feb 4, 2012 11:50:04 GMT -5
And the REAL DW nuts come out! They might make a nice little nesting place here! Bring us some good ole buddy deals on DWs..
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Post by crazycarl on Jun 25, 2012 21:17:12 GMT -5
Saw a Monson .357, 6", blued, 80%ish condition at a pawn shop for $300. Probably could've gotten it for $250 OTD, but didn't have 2 nickels to rub together... :-(
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Post by Charger Fan on Jun 27, 2012 0:52:50 GMT -5
Found this bit on Wikipedia. 1948–1968 D.B. Wesson Inc. Monson Massachusetts 1968–1971 Dan Wesson Arms Inc. Monson Massachusetts 1971–1983 Dan Wesson Arms Inc. Monson Massachusetts 1983–1995 Wesson Firearms Co. Palmer Massachusetts 1996–2005 Wesson Firearms Norwich New York 2005–present Wesson Firearms Norwich New York Good LORD, I truly hope you don't trust "Wikipedia" as a factual source...especially on anything gun related!! That's almost as blasphemous as admitting that CNN is "the honest-to-God-truth" to what's currently going on with our country these days. Go ahead & slap yourself, Axe!!!. There, that's better. Sometimes it seems the internet is more of a curse that anything, I tell ya! Some days I'd rather be limited to my own sources of the erroneous " written FACTUAL word", than believing the blather I happen across on the interweb. I can't say I haven't been guilty myself, but good grief! Okay, so... The DW company didn't officially begin until the calendar year of 1970. No matter what some Wikipedia "cut-n-paste" genius has to say. Prior to 1970, DW was a tool & die company. The first actual run with "DW" guns shipped in August 1970. Cut-n-dried. It wasn't until 1992 that Seth & Carol Wesson (Seth is Dan's son) relocated to Palmer Mass., a few years after Dan's death. Pictured here is "Ed & Fred"...#'s 96 & 97 off the line in 1970. These were each released as one of the original "Pistol Pac's"... And here's my pair of examples from the Palmer plant. These two are affectionately known as "Pete & Repeat", a Ying/Yang pair of 3" .357's with fixed barrels...only made in the Palmer plant (not Monson, not Norwich). There were also some .44 Mag FB guns available, but from what I've seen so far, all other Palmer models had interchangeable barrels. In the early days, the Palmer plant was erroneously given the distinction of a "bad rap" concerning an inferior product. The "rag writers" of the day (who shall remain unnamed) were particularly malicious in their opinions. In my own opinion, I consider them as severely biased...I think they were paid to say what they said, from the ignorant competition at the time. no qualms about it. Unfortunately, a biased label was laid early on with the Palmer guns...the label that "these guns are flawed". Yes & no. The Palmer plant used much of the leftover tooling from Monson, sometimes resulting in some flawed guns being shipped to customers. Much of that tooling had been "used beyond it's years", so fit & finish suffered a bit with some models. To help with this problem, the Palmer plant offered a longer warranty, in an effort to correct any tooling (and fit-n-finish) irregularities. However by the late 90's/mid '00's 99% of any known irregularities have been handled by now, these many years later. I have three Palmer guns myself thus far & I honestly consider the overall report card as better than many of my Monson guns for fit/finish/function. Palmer guns are some of my top priority candidates for personal collector status. One other thing, in the early 1990's, the Palmer plant whipped out one of the best factory handgun Compensator designs to date, albeit numerous other offerings of the day. And I've gotta tell ya, it works like a dream!! Here's 3 pics; overall layout, "business end pieces", & assembled except "Comp nut". This is a .445 Supermag Barrel Assembly.
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Post by AxeHandle on Jun 27, 2012 7:39:24 GMT -5
Thanks! Nice to have someone with some actual knowledge chime in.. I'm just about to trade for another 357 maximum to replace the one being converted to 414...
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Post by Charger Fan on Jun 27, 2012 8:37:42 GMT -5
Sounds great! You know, I bet you're gonna love that 414SM conversion when it's done. After reading about your conversion project, I'm getting tempted to do that myself...it's getting frustrating waiting for a factory one to come along.
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Post by AxeHandle on Jun 27, 2012 13:01:16 GMT -5
414 SM? Better call Alan and get loaded into the cue! I think he told me to expect 6 months. I'm wrtiting about it on a couple of forums and you know how we 41 bore custom revolver fruitcakes can be...
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